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Originally Posted by LOOPS
Anyway I wish you all the best. I've tried to do Kwas's ratios but nearly always end up going over on protein. I would beg to differ with the argument that you MUST be at the exact figures of protein intake, or else you will gain on high fat. That isn't necessarily so. I've seen people have a lot of success on other ketogenic principled diets like the Banta diet, which basically recommends eating 1.5 - 2 times the amount of fat for each 1g of protein + carbs combined - no calorie restriction - so that is high fat and possibly higher protein than K recommends.
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I agree. I'm skeptic about non-flexible rules that would be impossible to follow in nature, without our mass production of food.
And it makes sense that in nature we would get less carbs than human eat today. It makes sense that we would get less proteins (since protein heavy food are just low-fat foods or isolated proteins)
And it makes sense therefore that we would get more fats than proteins (nut shells have been found in most paleolithic sites in europe and there are paleolithic populations that eat like 70% of their diet as nuts)
But I don't think this should translate into specific ratios and amount to follow, since it would be impossible. I think all it takes is not to go too heavy on the protein, which is usually a conscious effort. Bodybuilders actually struggle to get as much protein as they "think" they need while keeping fat low enough. And they consume protein powder, egg beaters, no fat cheese so I don't think is a big issue.
I also don't think it's necessary to avoid meat. Most meat has like 20 grams of protein per 100 grams so you still need a lot to exceed on proteins.
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Just be careful - you CAN go too low in protein and lose muscle. Also bear in mind that Kwas's recommendations for athletes are different - I think he recommends that protein be eaten to appetite if you are very muscular and/or work out a lot.
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It makes sense. Hypertrophy activates protein sintesys so protein are used to build tissues rather than as a substrate for glucose.
I wonder if some people who are experiencing scale weight loss (even with extreme calorie raising) are actually losing muscle mass. I would have my BF% checked rather than trusting the scale, it's the fat we want to lose not lean body mass.
But there's another way to prevent proteins to be used as glucose and it's to raise carbs. If you raise carbs less proteins will be used as glucose and the carbs will be used mainly for glycogen and fats for energy.
That's why for example I can't have a no carb diet. I suffer from hypoglycemia and when I do no carbs, I get insulin and BG surge from the proteins being converted to glucose. And on no carb diet even fats mess with my glycemia, since the body starts converting the glycerol to glucose. I have read that 60 grams of carb is the minimum to spare proteins and proteins glucogenesis from other substrates.