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Old Fri, Feb-20-09, 19:23
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 05:41
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This is interesting.

A full 1 hour 31 minute and 1 second?

I will have to come back to it and watch it more.

Right now I have to run and pick up my son for the weekend.

But I promise that I will get back to this.

Hi carb, hi fiber?????

Hmmmmm

Ralph
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 06:02
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I am half way through it now.

I am wondering when they talk about off meds, do they mean all your meds?

It sounds like it.

So far, I see them saying off diabetic meds.

What about hypertension and your blood pressure pills?

What about all the good supplements you take such as Krill Oil for Omega3, Vitamin D3 to prevent deficiency?

and On and On.

What about any of this?

It sounds like the raw foods provide everything and you don't need supplements.

I see a lot of people exercising a lot at whatever level they can; that has to be good.

I forget the location. This looks like southwest country. It is beautiful. My wife wouldn't like it at all.

I am up to day 15.

Are there Type 1s in this video too?

Enough for now. I will take a break and return.

Ralph
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 07:33
Cajunboy47 Cajunboy47 is offline
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Two are type 1 diabetics. One stopped using insulin, one reduced insulin.....

Four are type 2 diabetics. All stopped using medications and insulin......

This took place in Arizona, medically supervised.

As you watch, you'll see the film studies these people for months past the 30 days trial....

I believe all supplementation was eliminated and all nutrition was from the foods only....

I'm still thinking over what I feel about this. I noticed that some of these people lost 20 to 30 pounds in that 30 day period by eating this way.

My wife says she is willing to prepare our foods this way and experiment with it this way if I'm interested. But, it takes things difficult to find around here, such as raw nuts and seeds.

I'm going to poke around and look for a list of the foods that this way of eating recommends, just to see if it is even feasible, as it might be extremely difficult to find these particulare foods.

By the way, it is all vegetarian apparently. It was mentioned several times "living foods", so I'm sure the theory behind it is that....

One of the type 1s' was only able to reduce insulin, but during the 30 days, he cheated by consuming alcochol, so no telling what his results would be without his admitted problem with drinking....

I'm looking at this way of eating to trim off those last few pounds of fat, which could put me up to 10 pounds below my goal weight eventually, which would be ok with me....
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 09:26
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I don't have the time to watch this entire video. Can someone who has watched it be more detailed about how a Type 1 eliminated all insulin? From everything I know, this is medically impossible.

V
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 09:38
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I don't have the time to watch this entire video. Can someone who has watched it be more detailed about how a Type 1 eliminated all insulin? From everything I know, this is medically impossible.

V


How do you think that types I were able to survive (as an average) 2 years without insulin, before it was discovered?
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 09:39
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I cannot see the video, I just see an invitation for a casino...

I'm using Firefox
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 09:50
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"How do you think that types I were able to survive (as an average) 2 years without insulin, before it was discovered?"
I suspect most true type 1's didn't survive very long.
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 10:05
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Eddie, I've found this one, you could be right though, that those cases weren't really type 1s, perhaps Mody. And that type 1 is really something new, that before you had only Type 2 or Mody. Who knows?

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/445672_2

"Blood glucose remained difficult to measure and did not become a routine part of the work-up of Joslin's patients until 1915[8]. The introduction of the Folin-Wu method in 1920 enabled blood glucose to be measured on a finger-stick sample[9,10]. Even then, blood had to be taken adjacent to the laboratory, since preservatives were not introduced until 1931[11]. Despite reliance on urine tests, the near uniform fatality of childhood-onset cases in series from the preinsulin era testifies that there was little confusion with renal glycosuria. Morse cites Carl von Noorden, the great European authority of the time, who said that "with few exceptions diabetes in childhood knows no cure, no matter how mild it may appear in the beginning, nor how gradual its development in the first months or even years." His experience was that children under age 7 years with the severe form of the disease survived 18 months to 2 years, while those with "mild glycosuria" lived 3-6 years, and that "the usual statement that the younger the child the shorter the course is true"[7]. Joslin reported in 1923 that 86% of children presenting under age 16 years had previously died in ketoacidosis[6]."

What jumps into my attention is "with few exceptions diabetes in childhood knows no cure"...
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 11:41
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The survival of two years occurs because the initial autoimmune attack on beta cells is not always complete. This is called the "honeymoon" period, in which some pancreatic function remains. I had a honeymoon period that lasted about 4-6 months, during which I took significantly less insulin than I do now.

I really want to reiterate that promoting a diet only "cure" for Type 1 is spreading a lethal lie. The "few exceptions" quote is coming from a 19th century doctor! Really, what are the stakes in promoting lies, other than to sell things?

V.
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 11:56
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Here is a specific case where diabetes type I was cured just changing the diet, the boy had all type I markers GAD, ICA, glucose intolerance, etc... His problem was gluten, what if you eat those raw things and your antibodies disappear?

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conte...24?crawler=true

I undestand that we really don't know much about diabetes, we just know that glucose intolerance causes all the havoc, but what originally caused the glucose intolerance, crickets chirping.

I really don't know, I thought this forum is seen as an alternative forum that proposes off the wall ideas and not the standard predicaments.
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 12:14
Cajunboy47 Cajunboy47 is offline
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I'd like to know:

If this place did a video, and their program seemed to have reversed diabetes for 6 out of 6 people, if they kept doing it for others, what would their rate be after doing a 1,000 people...????

It seems odd they only took in 6 people for this test period. Could they have edited out others who were not successful? I hate to act like a skeptic, but it is a Doctor that runs the facility in Arizona...


According to the video, the type 1 diabetic eliminated all insulin... hmmmm...

Let's all go to Arizona and check it out....

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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 12:54
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We could check that by ourselves, what do you have to eat? Nuts, salads, seeds, fresh veggies for 30-60 days?

I mean, it costs nothing
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 13:01
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Oh. My. God. We press on with these claims. Are you actually trying to say that Type 1s can eliminate insulin through diet???? I read the article, and that person *does not yet have diabetes* -- he has the antibodies. The study cannot predict when and if he will *get* diabetes. I mean, I had the antibodies for 22 years before the autoimmune response hit.
I hope that you only attempt to spread this information on this forum, where there aren't many Type 1's- that way your dangerous misinformation will not hurt anyone.

V.
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Old Sat, Feb-21-09, 13:35
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So, here's a question I always have about raw foodies. Eating raw food takes a lot more effort than eating cooked food. You burn more calories digesting it, you probably don't take in as many calories. How do you know these effects aren't just from being on a low calorie diet like CRON dieters? They have very good effects from their low calorie diet, but they don't depend on raw food alone.
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