Active Low-Carber Forums
Atkins diet and low carb discussion provided free for information only, not as medical advice.
Home Plans Tips Recipes Tools Stories Studies Products
Active Low-Carber Forums
A sugar-free zone


Welcome to the Active Low-Carber Forums.
Support for Atkins diet, Protein Power, Neanderthin (Paleo Diet), CAD/CALP, Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution and any other healthy low-carb diet or plan, all are welcome in our lowcarb community. Forget starvation and fad diets -- join the healthy eating crowd! You may register by clicking here, it's free!

Go Back   Active Low-Carber Forums > Main Low-Carb Diets Forums & Support > Low-Carb Studies & Research / Media Watch > LC Research/Media
User Name
Password
FAQ Members Calendar Search Gallery My P.L.A.N. Survey


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 13:15
Dodger's Avatar
Dodger Dodger is offline
Posts: 8,765
 
Plan: Paleoish/Keto
Stats: 225/167/175 Male 71.5 inches
BF:18%
Progress: 116%
Location: Longmont, Colorado
Default Eating carbs after exercise stops fat burning

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/2

Does prior acute exercise affect postexercise substrate oxidation in response to a high carbohydrate meal?

Wiley Long III, Katherine Wells, Virginia Englert, Stacy Schmidt, Matthew S Hickey and Christopher L Melby

Nutrition & Metabolism 2008, 5:2doi:10.1186/1743-7075-5-2


Published: 27 January 2008 Abstract (provisional)

Background

Consumption of a mixed meal increases postprandial carbohydrate utilization and decreases fat oxidation. On the other hand, acute endurance exercise increases fat oxidation and decreases carbohydrate utilization during the post-exercise recovery period. It is possible that the resulting post-exercise increase in circulating nonesterified fatty acids could attenuate the ability of ingested carbohydrate to inhibit lipid oxidation. The purpose of this study was to determine whether prior exercise attenuates the usual meal-induced decline in lipid oxidation.

Methods

Six healthy, physically active young subjects (x age = 26.3 years, 4 males, 2 females) completed three treatments in random order after a ~10 h fast: (a) Exercise/ Carbohydrate (Ex/CHO): subjects completed a bout of exercise at 70% VO2peak (targeted net energy cost of 400 kcals), followed by consumption of a carbohydrate-rich meal; (b) Exercise/Placebo (Ex/Placebo): subjects completed an identical bout of exercise followed by consumption of a placebo; and (c) No Exercise/Carbohydrate (NoEx/CHO): subjects sat quietly rather than exercising and then consumed the carbohydrate-rich meal. Blood samples were obtained before and during the postprandial period to determine plasma glucose, insulin, and non-esterified fatty acids (NEFA). Respiratory gas exchange measures were used to estimate rates of fat and carbohydrate oxidation.

Results

Plasma NEFA were approximately two-fold higher immediately following the two exercise conditions compared to the no-exercise condition, while meal consumption significantly increased insulin and glucose in both Ex/CHO and NoEx/CHO. NEFA concentrations fell rapidly during the 2-h postprandial period, but remained higher compared to the NoEx/CHO treatment. Carbohydrate oxidation increased rapidly and fat oxidation decreased in response to the meal, with no differences in the rates of carbohydrate and fat oxidation during recovery between the Ex/CHO and NoEx/CHO conditions.

Conclusion

The plasma NEFA concentration is increased during the post exercise period, which is associated with elevated fat oxidation when no meal is consumed. However, when a mixed meal is consumed immediately following exercise, the initially elevated plasma NEFA concentration decreases rapidly, and postexercise fat oxidation during this 2-h postexercise, postprandial period is no higher than that of the 2-h postprandial period without prior exercise.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 14:25
ValerieL's Avatar
ValerieL ValerieL is offline
Bouncy!
Posts: 9,388
 
Plan: Atkins Maintenance
Stats: 297/173.3/150 Female 5'7" (top weight 340)
BF:41%/31%/??%
Progress: 84%
Location: Burlington, ON
Default

In English?
Reply With Quote
  #3   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 14:30
Dodger's Avatar
Dodger Dodger is offline
Posts: 8,765
 
Plan: Paleoish/Keto
Stats: 225/167/175 Male 71.5 inches
BF:18%
Progress: 116%
Location: Longmont, Colorado
Default

After exercise, the body continues to burn fat at a high rate. If you eat some carbs after the exercise, your body rapidly stops burning fat and goes into the glucose using mode.
Reply With Quote
  #4   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 14:40
ValerieL's Avatar
ValerieL ValerieL is offline
Bouncy!
Posts: 9,388
 
Plan: Atkins Maintenance
Stats: 297/173.3/150 Female 5'7" (top weight 340)
BF:41%/31%/??%
Progress: 84%
Location: Burlington, ON
Default

LOL, thanks, Mike! I kind of got that from your title, but the science speak really got me.
Reply With Quote
  #5   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 14:41
mike_d's Avatar
mike_d mike_d is offline
Grease is the word!
Posts: 8,475
 
Plan: PSMF/IF
Stats: 236/181/180 Male 72 inches
BF:disappearing!
Progress: 98%
Location: Alamo city, Texas
Default

Not surprising since carbs cause an insulin release. I doubt a low-carb protein shake has the same effects even if insulin is needed to build muscle.
Reply With Quote
  #6   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 15:27
shreveport shreveport is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 41
 
Plan: protein power
Stats: 322/310/210 Male 5 11
BF:
Progress: 11%
Default

I think that is correct,in the past i would grab a foot long sandwich from subway next door and feel sluggish but now I dont, i am still energized so i know something is working
I also notice i am getting more toned and defined,i lost 11 lbs but i can tell i am losing inches as well, so i think the fat is getting burned off
Reply With Quote
  #7   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 16:01
Azlocarb Azlocarb is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 302
 
Plan: Protien Power
Stats: 225/175/190 Male 72in
BF:30%/8%/8%
Progress: 143%
Location: Reno Nv
Default

mike_d,

There is some new research that has come out that seems to show that insulin is not needed for muscle growth or in this case muscle growth in a low-glycogen invironment. Check out Art DeVany's post on the subject at:

http://www.arthurdevany.com/?p=810
Reply With Quote
  #8   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 18:03
kaypeeoh kaypeeoh is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 1,216
 
Plan: Atkins
Stats: 185/180/165
BF:
Progress: 25%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ValerieL
In English?


I think he's saying what Taubes says, that fat cells stop releasing fatty acids when there's carbs ingested. The body prefers carbs for energy because it's immediate. Without carbs the fat cells continue to release fatty acids to be burned for energy. The conclusion is don't eat carbs after a workout and you'll continue to burn fat.
Reply With Quote
  #9   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 18:20
kneebrace kneebrace is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 1,429
 
Plan: atkins/ IF
Stats: 162/128/130 Male 175
BF:
Progress: 106%
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Default

I always though Anthony Colpo's recommendation to consume simple carbs in the half hour after a WO to 'replenish glycogen reserves' sounded like nonsense. He argues that as long as you don't wait longer than half an hour, the carbs would go directly into glycogen replenishment and not interfere with fatburning. Seems like another intellectual crash and burn for my countryman.

Stuart
Reply With Quote
  #10   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 19:17
mike_d's Avatar
mike_d mike_d is offline
Grease is the word!
Posts: 8,475
 
Plan: PSMF/IF
Stats: 236/181/180 Male 72 inches
BF:disappearing!
Progress: 98%
Location: Alamo city, Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kneebrace
He argues that as long as you don't wait longer than half an hour, the carbs would go directly into glycogen replenishment and not interfere with fatburning.
That sounds conceivable if glycogen stores are depleted like they would be generally on a LC plan, but not on a "normal diet." It takes the equivalent of ~40 slices of bread to refill liver and muscle glycogen so I would suspect a slice of apple or some berries, if desired post workout wouldn't matter much. Possibly the best post WO carb would be maltodextrin a complex starch and the digestion-resistant type is a soluble fiber.

Last edited by mike_d : Mon, Jan-28-08 at 19:31.
Reply With Quote
  #11   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 19:30
TomX's Avatar
TomX TomX is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 100
 
Plan: Atkins
Stats: 233/208/185 Male 5'11"
BF:30
Progress: 52%
Location: Berkeley, CA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodger
After exercise, the body continues to burn fat at a high rate. If you eat some carbs after the exercise, your body rapidly stops burning fat and goes into the glucose using mode.


So, am I correct in concluding that it's silly to drink an LC whey protein drink after a workout if I already have a nice roll of fat I want melted away? Actually, I guess the argument is that the whey protein goes directly to muscle development so I imagine it would have little impact on the body's fat burning.
Reply With Quote
  #12   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 19:47
mike_d's Avatar
mike_d mike_d is offline
Grease is the word!
Posts: 8,475
 
Plan: PSMF/IF
Stats: 236/181/180 Male 72 inches
BF:disappearing!
Progress: 98%
Location: Alamo city, Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azlocarb
mike_d,

There is some new research that has come out that seems to show that insulin is not needed for muscle growth or in this case muscle growth in a low-glycogen invironment. Check out Art DeVany's post on the subject at:

http://www.arthurdevany.com/?p=810
Quote:
I think you can see why I am not in a hurry to replenish muscle glycogen after a work out. Or to ingest simple carbs. These factors explain why SuperMike continued to grow muscle even while fasting.
Who is SuperMike, I have had friends call me that
Reply With Quote
  #13   ^
Old Mon, Jan-28-08, 20:08
Azlocarb Azlocarb is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 302
 
Plan: Protien Power
Stats: 225/175/190 Male 72in
BF:30%/8%/8%
Progress: 143%
Location: Reno Nv
Default

mike_d

Here is Super Mike:

http://www.arthurdevany.com/?p=766
Reply With Quote
  #14   ^
Old Wed, Jan-30-08, 06:19
LStump's Avatar
LStump LStump is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 3,105
 
Plan: Gluten Free, Low Carb
Stats: 205/200.2/150 Female 5ft 7in
BF:
Progress: 9%
Location: NoVA
Default

Just out of curiosity.. How long would you then have to wait to eat carbs after exercise?
Reply With Quote
  #15   ^
Old Wed, Jan-30-08, 07:11
JL53563's Avatar
JL53563 JL53563 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 1,209
 
Plan: The Real Human Diet
Stats: 225/165/180 Male 5'8"
BF:?/?/8.6%
Progress: 133%
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Default

I may be weird, but I never eat carbs after exercise. I just don't get the whole "you must replenish your glycogen stores" thing. I never replenish my glycogen stores, and I do just fine.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:32.


Copyright © 2000-2024 Active Low-Carber Forums @ forum.lowcarber.org
Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.