There's a 3-4 ounce limit per day on Atkins.

A cup or more is way too much!

Yes, some people can't eat cheese.

I have been on Atkins several different times and was successful each time. Now I am doing it again and I really never want to go off this way of life.

Anyways, all I can suggest are hard boiled eggs. I eat them for breakfast and lunch during the work week and I always lose weight with them.

Something to think about.

Also, becareful of steak sauces, marinades - order things without the sauce, and beware of dressings at restaurants.

HUGS to you - YOU can do it!

This is going to work I promise!

Coffee has less than 1 carb per 6 fl oz before you add anything to it. I add stevia plus which has 0 net carbs and heavy cream (not whipped cream) 1 tbsp .5 carbs. Total 1.5 carbs. If you drink it black you only have less than one carb.

I found a heavy cream that was expensive that had even less than .5 of a carb.

I do think it is a YMV kind of thing, but it hasn't interfered with me losing 23 lbs in two months.

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I found a heavy cream that was expensive that had even less than .5 of a carb.
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Heavy cream is 6.6 net carbs per cup. That's .4125 net carbs per Tbs.

For me it's an extreme fact. When I was doing the Atkins to the point where you really don't count the fat and eat 3 sausages with an egg and cheese omelette for breakfast, two bunless cheeseburgers for lunch etc, I was loosing weight but it averaged out to about 1 pound to 2 pounds a week.

Loosing 2 pounds a week is good; don't get me wrong. However, when I substitute the 3 egg omelette and 3 sausages with 4 boiled eggs (breakfast) and I subsitute 2 bunless cheeseburgers for a package of tuna in water with reduced Miracle whip (1 gm fat, >1 gm of carb per tablespoon) for lunch and I substitute a steak for lean meat or skinless chicken or fish for dinner, I go from loosing 1 to 2 pounds a week to about 5 to 6 pounds a week. And it's not water weight.

Every human body reacts a little differently for any version of eating to cause weight loss. I do know for a fact that your body must burn fat and carbs you have in your stomach first before it can get to your stored body fat. That's a medical fact. Am I saying eating 40 to 80 grams of fat is bad for you on a low carb diet? No of course it isn't. High fat will control a lot of people's appetitite and give them more energy. However, you do have to burn the carb and fat you ingested first before your body burns stored fat. Hence, why a LOT of people work out in the morning before breakfast because you are burning pure stored body fat.

Don't get me wrong, you can still loose all your weight eating high fat, low carb, but you'll loose a lot faster controlling your fat intake a bit. Im not saying a LOW fat diet....but a reasonable one. For example, this is what I eat during the day

Breakfast:

4 boiled eggs
32 oz cold water

Snack:

16 oz Protein shake.
Protein shake has 2 grams of fat and 4 grams of carbs and 48 grams of protein
32 oz water

Lunch:

Packet of Tuna fish with 2 tablespoons of light miracle whip.
(miracle whip is 2 grams of fat and >2gms of carbs for 2 tablespoons)
32 oz water

or Ill have baked cod or salmon

Dinner:

Trimed fat top sirloin or chicken breast and a dash of string beans.
Stuffed mushrooms (mozerella cheese with Pam spray)
32 oz water

Snack:

16 oz Protein shack

I loose a pound a day that way

Here was my old way:

Breakfast:

4 egg omelette with chedder cheese and 2 sausage links or 4 pieces of bacon and onions and red peppers, sauteed in butter.
32 oz water

Snack:

2 large slimjims
32 oz water

Lunch:

Buffalo Chicken wings of roast beef with melted cheese or 2 cheeseburgers without bread.
32 oz water

Snack:

2 string cheese
32 oz water

Dinner:

A big juicy steak
Brocolli and cheese
Sauteed Onions
32 oz water

The above diet, I lost about a 1 pound to 2 pounds a week.

Like I said, Im not saying the way you're doing it is the wrong way. However, my new way is giving me about 10 times more energy and it feels good having to go through two different pair of pants in two weeks because im loosing inches so rapidly.

I understand what you're saying. But surely if it's medical fact, there is medical documentation to back this up? And if it is in fact true, how does the fat fast work, as outlined in DANDR?

The first 18lbs I lost in 3 weeks were eating about 3000 calories a day most of them in meats and fats. Whenever I decrease my
fat I lost very little. I read this not only in the Atkins book also in
an article by a nutritionist in favor of low carb diet the article was
title " how to metabolized your own fat faster.
By the way I am only 5' tall. Too much calories for a small women ah! Well it worked.

As for stalls here are some tips I have gleaned from the many members of this board and my own (several) journeys


1. limit or remove dairy for a few days. (I dropped cheese and lost 16 pounds in 10 days--no, not induction, after low carbing a while)
2. try a day or two of intermittent fasting.
3. count your calories (1200 calories is NOT starvation for a small woman--it's a typical diet limit and has been for decades)
4. Eat nothing with possible additives, like sausage, bacon, ham (eat only fresh meat). eliminate anything not whole food.
5. watch your sodium intake.
6. try carb cycling... higher for a few days, then lower
7. drink some more water
8. dump sweeteners (unless they are liquid, their carb count adds up)
9. don't eat after 8 (some ppl say this works)
10. eat your larger meal in the middle of the day.

All of these tricks have worked for different people. But the number one thing you should do is measure. The tape measure is often the best friend of a frustrated low carber.

What jumps out at me here is the calories in lieu of the fat. You significantly reduced your calories by cutting the fat and hence, lost more weight. So, your theory is false (sorry) as it the drastic reduction in calories that has contributed to your increased loss. Jill

I am confused! I always think of the phrase "fat does not make you fat, sugar makes you fat". Doesn't reduced fat mayo have more sugar added to it? What about salad dressing? Do you use reduced fat salad dressing also? I have never counted calories or fat grams, so this is kind of confusing to me.

Still count carb very much. I also count fat equally as much. Also, my calorie intack is about 2300 so Im sure Im not loosing just based on my caloric intake. I eat about the same as any other Atkins dieter....just a little less fat.

When I ate low carb high in fat I lost 2 pounds a week (almost same calories maybe a 300 to 400 calorie difference a day...for a 294 pounder thats insignificant) so I dont think it's the lack of calories. Also, lack of calories will cause me to stall as my metabolism will stall.

The reduced fat miracle whip I eat has just .6 grams of carbs of tablespoon. The regular miracle whip had .3 grams of carbs a tablespoon. So they really didn't add a ton of sugar in lieu of the reduced fat like they do in reduced fat salad dressing. The difference in the fat is 8 grams of fat per regular and 1.0 in reduced fat. So to me, i dont mind the change.

Like I said in an earlier post, this is something that works for me. I don't expect it to work for everyone. Im not a low fat freak trust me. Right now Im consuming 3 bacon strips (fresh butcher bacon) and 3 fried eggs for breakfast.

If you guys are doing great on high fat, low carb then great! Im merely giving the original poster some ideas to break her stall because it was what broke mine.

Thanks for the reply.....that is very interesting. Learned something today

CMIIW, but the fat fast is 1000 calories with ~100g of fat

There seems to be a lot of misinformation regarding starvation mode, including it's actual definition, so I thought I'd post an excellent article that can be found here:

http://www.calorie-count.com/forums/post/28742.html


**Please note that I'm not offering an opinion on it. I'm just trying to provide the correct information.

My doctor always told me, 10 times your body weight to maintain or reach... so if I want to be 120 say, 1200 cals, and not below 600.

2300 cals then, supports 230 pounds and therefore at 294 Rk can still lose, but I wouldn't.

I want to be about 135 really, and therefore never eat above 1350 and never below 700 or so (some fasting days might dip lower, but wow do I make up for that)