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Old Fri, May-04-07, 05:18
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And to stop any more silly speculation about the role of Vitamin D etc., she also posted:


What kind of an injury?
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 05:45
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Hi, everyone. Just checking in.

I recently dropped from 50K IUs to 10K IUs of D3, and the results have been terrible. Over the past two days, my depression and anxiety have sky-rocketed. Yesterday I had a severe, uncontrollable panic attack that forced me to leave the office mid-day. I went through the remainder of the day very depressed and going through crying spell after crying spell. The depression continues into today. I will be reinitiating 25K IUs this morning. Before dropping the D3, I was doing better.
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 06:54
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Withdrawal symptoms perhaps? D3 is a hormone, not a vitamin. When I cut my dose in half from 1600 to 800 I had a mild panic attack but I believe that was related to some binging on sugary ice cream that day. I am going to pull myself off it for a few days completely now just to see if I have any bad reactions.

I do find it rather odd that people have experienced crashes after quitting it cold turkey because D is supposed to be fat soluble and still left in your blood at almost the same concentration. In fact, its supposed to take between 6 to 8 weeks for your D3 blood levels to drop in half from around 150 nmol/l so like I said I find it puzzling that cutting back would have such a severe reaction.
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 07:34
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Jayppers, Please don't give up. It can get better, unfortunately you have to figure out how! I just don't want you to think it isn't worth fighting the fight. It is.

I wish I knew how to fix it for you....
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 08:06
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More advice from 'experts' on how to make sure that you avoid generating vitamin D.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/he...icle2508169.ece

Covering up 'best protection from sun'

Published: 03 May 2007

Slapping on sunscreen is no substitute for covering up, doctors warned today.

Protective clothing and hats are the still the best way to guard against skin cancer and the ageing effects of the sun, said experts writing in The Lancet medical journal.

Swiss skin specialist Dr Stephan Lautenschlager, from Triemli Hospital in Zurich, and his colleagues carried out a review of sun protection strategies around the world.

They concluded: "Behavioural measures - e.g. wearing sun protective clothes and a hat and reducing sun exposure to a minimum - should be preferred to sunscreens.

"Often this solution is deemed to be unacceptable in our global, outdoor society, and sunscreens could become the predominant mode of sun protection for various societal reasons (e.g. healthiness of a tan, relaxation in the sun).

"Nevertheless, sunscreens should not be abused in an attempt to increase time in the sun to a maximum."

Different kinds of clothing offered varying levels of protection in the same way as different types of sunscreen, said the researchers.

Tightly woven, thick garments made of denim, wool or polyester were the most effective.

Cotton, linen and acetate clothes were far less good at blocking out harmful rays. Dry, loose fabric and clothes which had shrunk after washing were better than wet or stretched materials, and bleaching made clothing less protective.

Sunscreens had been shown to protect against sunburn and less serious forms of skin cancer, said the experts. However, there was no conclusive proof that they prevented potentially deadly melanoma skin cancer.

The disease affects more than 8,100 men and women in Britain each year and causes almost 2,000 deaths.

The public should be advised how best to use sunscreens, said the researchers.

They wrote: "The application of a liberal quantity of sunscreen is by far the most important factor for effectiveness of a sunscreen, followed by the uniformity of application and the specific absorption spectrum of the agent used."

Organic sunscreens should be applied 15 to 30 minutes before exposure to the sun, they added. Waterproof or water-resistant products should be used when swimming.

Nina Goad, of the British Association of Dermatologists, said: "Sunscreen is an effective tool, but it should not be used as the single method of sun protection.

"Part of the problem is that people do not apply sunscreen liberally enough to get the level of protection necessary - in fact, studies suggest we use only half the amount needed to get the SPF on the label. We also miss patches, forget to reapply it and of course sunscreen can also be rubbed or rinsed off.

"Many people are also unaware that we need to apply it 15 to 30 minutes before heading out in the sun too. It may also give us a false sense of security if we think it's enough to apply it once in the morning and assume this will see us through the day, when that is not the case.

"These are all reasons why we recommend that people use a high SPF, broad spectrum sunscreen to protect exposed areas of skin, but that they use it in conjunction with clothing that covers the skin too.

"The type of clothing is also important - wide brimmed hats are preferable to baseball caps, and stretched or loose-weave fabric will protect the skin less than thicker or tighter woven clothing."
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 08:08
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Interesting, since this quote appears in the body of the article:
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Sunscreens had been shown to protect against sunburn and less serious forms of skin cancer, said the experts. However, there was no conclusive proof that they prevented potentially deadly melanoma skin cancer.
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 08:43
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Default D3... nervous energy

As to short term stimulative effects of D3. Apparently D3 does have immediate effects on cellular metabolic processes, insulin regulation etc.

I certainly have noticed short term effects... playing around in the 1-7KIU range. Some kind of stimulative effect subjectively speaking. Kind of a nervous energy sense to it.

The effect of that was to stop taking D3 after 5pm. This observation from a guy that can tolerate coffee in large amounts anytime of the day or night.

So I'd not be surprised that someone taking 50KIU a day dropping to 1-2KIU would experience a depressive effect... probably a hypoglycemic effect.

Trick is to note the effect, change more slowly.. up or down.

Btw, I find 1gram doseage of Vit C every hour until you feel better.... cures anything.

Just my experience.
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 08:58
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Hello Jayppers,

Do you take something else with the D3?
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 10:02
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Jayppers -

yes - do you take anything else? Quite recently I have found vitamin B1 supplements to be helping with anxiety. I have taken B1 as part of a B complex before and didn't feel that great - I have to take the B1 separately from the B complex to get a calming effect. I have also noticed that I tolerate magnesium supplements much better now too. B1 and magnesium are really good for anxiety together.

I drink tea and coffee and I chew nicorette and drink wine, all of which really deplete B1. You probably don't do any of those things - but if you do it might be an idea.

BTW I don't take HUGE doses of anything anymore. I find 10mg of thiamine on its own does the trick.

Just an idea - don't mean to hark on or anything!
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 10:05
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I am so sorry to hear about Zule - I really hope she gets better very soon. My thoughts are with her.
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Old Fri, May-04-07, 12:06
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From the blog of Dr John Briffa:


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Sun exposure looks like a free way for the elderly to maintain their physical function and mobility

Posted By Dr John Briffa On 30th April 2007

Earlier this month one of my blogs focused on the benefits of sunlight exposure, and in particular the seeming ability of higher vitamin D levels to protect us from a wide range of cancer. Vitamin D is believed to have other roles within the body, including some ability to help ensure normal muscular function.

In a recent study [1] researchers assessed the relationship between vitamin D levels and ‘physical performance’ (as measured with a standard test of physical abilities such as walking and balance) and hand grip strength. The participants of this study – about 1000 people aged 65 or more – were classified as being of normal vitamin D status, or having either vitamin D insufficiency (vitamin D levels of less than 50 nmol/L) or vitamin D deficiency (vitamin D levels of less than 25 nmol/L).

This research revealed:

• Vitamin D deficient men and women had significantly lower physical performance and handgrip strength compared to individuals with adequate vitamin D levels.

• Vitamin D insufficient men and women had significantly lower handgrip strength compared to individuals with adequate vitamin D levels.

The authors of this study have called for more research to be done on the relationship between vitamin D status and physical function, especially bearing in mind the ageing nature of the population.

My sense is that it can be quite easy for elderly individuals to find themselves in a bit of a downward spiral as a result of vitamin D deficiency and reduced physical function: the lower someone’s physical function is, the less likely they are to go outside, the more likely they are therefore to become vitamin D deficient and have this impact negatively on their physical function. And so the cycle may go on.

My mother, who is in her mid-70s, was recently expressing her belief to me that, as we age, it’s very important to still get out and about. Obviously, she did not need to convince me of the benefits of regular activity. But this latest research has got me thinking about whether getting out and about might have profound benefits for those wanting to maintain their physical capabilities through improved levels of vitamin D in the body.

In natural medicine we can sometimes offer advice or make recommendations that are beyond the reach of most individuals. And as a reader of this site recently reminded me, a lot may have little or no practical relevance to the elderly.

With this in mind, I want to take this opportunity to highlight the benefits of simply getting out in the sun for all of us, including the elderly. Those who are quite mobile might want to make a point of taking a daily walk, which of course could be had as part of other activities such as shopping. However, it might be that even the less mobile might benefit from being outside when weather conditions allow, particularly when the sun is shining. And it’s perhaps also worth remembering that the benefits to be had from getting sunlight exposure are free. That, unlikely many things, puts it within reach of just about everyone.

References:

1. Houston DK, et al. Association Between Vitamin D Status and Physical Performance: The InCHIANTI Study. J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 2007;62(4):440-6.


http://www.drbriffa.com/blog/2007/0...sical-function/




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Old Sat, May-05-07, 09:24
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Let me make something clear to the people who are taking magnesium with their other supplements:

Do not take it after a meal.. for me, it results in trips to the bathroom and I feel like I've got a bug in my intestines..not a very good feeling at all. I'm taking magnesium glycinate, and I've never had this problem before, but I've always taken my supplements right before or somewhat early into my meal, but today I took everything after I'd eaten my meal. Bad mistake. And I've read somewhere else that taking magnesium, or maybe it was Vitamin D3, after a meal will result in trips to the bathroom.. and that taking the supplements before or early on in a meal will not result in this negative effect.

I won't be forgetting this little tidbit of a point now..
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Old Sat, May-05-07, 09:45
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Still taking 200,000 IU Vit.D3 daily (with 20,000 IU Vit.A, etc.), usually by 10am and always before 4pm (as Zule warns against taking it too soon before bedtime). I think I'm seeing more of an impulse to DO things. With my inertia (at 400#), it's not always easy to see activity - but my impulse to DO things seems more spontaneous than before I started Vit.D3 (9wks ago). Cal-Mag is now a late-day supplement, with chiro's Mineral Supplement (with 400mg Cal, 200mg Mag and other stuff) at day's end.

A 3/day Vita-Min has negligible Cal (47mg), Mag (28mg) in its mix, and I've been taking that with my ayem Vit.D3 cocktail. Food is not always eaten first. Rarely am I hungry after a handful of pills and all the water it takes to wash 'em well down into me. Taking supplements has cut my calories!!!

I'm tracking times on intake/outgo and cannot say that I see a definite connection between evacuation and any intake. I think sometimes we draw a conclusion about cause-effect that is hours or days faster than the body's processing of anything.

I hear people weighing shortly after eating - and declaring a gain or loss to be due to what was eaten earlier that day or the day before. Frankly, I think it takes DAYS for what is eaten to show as a gain or a loss - at least in MY body. How about yours?

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Old Sat, May-05-07, 09:55
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What kind of an injury?
Zule said the doctor thinks an injury may have caused the tumor, and Zule has told us about a couple of falls she's had lately. Possibly she's been pushing herself to do more as she feels stronger with her Vit.D3 therapy - and there may have been some falls that knocked her noggin. I don't know any more than what Zule has posted for us, as she gets info on this situation. I suspect we will get a full report as soon as Zule (and her doctor) know for sure what's what. My sense is that she is getting really good care, as traveling from DC to NYC for surgery seems to indicate some research - Zule's strong point. Let's hold a good thought for our Zuleika, as she and her family and circle of friends share info with us.
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Old Sat, May-05-07, 12:23
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Capo I am the opposite - I get better results taking magnesium with meals, but I don't always do this. A point about magnesium glycinate - if you take a lot of this it can decrease taurine levels in the body which is not a good thing (the glycine does this) - well, this is according to our old friend George Eby (don't know if you've seen his essay on magnesium and depression?).

Personally I don't like Mg glycinate much - it doesn't actually feel very relaxing to me. I prefer a mixed chelate, or magnesium malate seems to be fine. Amino acids are powerful things and it is very easy to get out of balance taking an excess of any particular one.
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