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Old Sat, Mar-08-03, 16:27
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Hi Melodie. The reason is this: there's a loophole in the labelling laws. It allows for the sugar alcohols to *not* be counted as a carbohydrate, even though there's considerable debate about how the body metabolises them. Some people get the same blood sugar surge (and probably therefore insulin surge) that they'd get from sugar. Other people don't. It's a YMMV thing. For more details, check the "truth about low carb sweeteners info" link under "quick links" on the tool bar over to the right --> .

Most people have more success if they avoid them.
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Old Mon, Mar-17-03, 13:37
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Plan: Atkins (Pre-Maintenance)
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BF:35%/28%/22%
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Bumping because this is a useful thread.
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Old Mon, Mar-17-03, 14:53
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Plan: LCHF/egg fast/meat & egg
Stats: 229/219/190 Female 5'6"
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Question: Is there any way to shave ice at home? When I saw it mentioned, my first thought was SF syrup over shaved ice... I forget what that's called (slushy?). Would be a nice LC treat!
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Old Mon, Mar-17-03, 15:12
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I actually have a snow cone machine (basically an ice shaver) at home. Good call about making slushies with SF syrup. Sounds yummy.
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Old Tue, Mar-18-03, 11:05
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I'm kinda curious - why is the SF jello and whipped cream a "mistake"? I haven't tried it yet, but thought it was a legal treat?
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Old Tue, Mar-18-03, 14:54
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Plan: Schwarzbein Principle II IS-BOAG
Stats: 174/155/120 Female 5'2"
BF:34%
Progress: 35%
Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally posted by jeanyyy
I'm kinda curious - why is the SF jello and whipped cream a "mistake"? I haven't tried it yet, but thought it was a legal treat?


i do not have dr atkins book--but i learned from the atkins center website and there the rules of induction are posted "induction 101 part 2", is where you will find the rules on sweeteners.

Treat aspartame (NutraSweet® or Equal®) with caution. Avoid whenever possible. This includes products sweetened with these ingredients, such as diet sodas and diet Jell-O. Instead use sucralose, (Splenda®) or saccharin (Sweet'n Low™).

Use more than three packets of sucralose (Splenda) daily. (More and more products are being made with Splenda so if you use any, don't forget to include those grams in your tally.)

Special Category Foods
To add variety, each day you can also eat 10 to 20 olives, half a small avocado, an ounce of sour cream or three ounces of unsweetened heavy cream , as well as two to three tablespoons of lemon juice or lime juice. But be aware that these foods occasionally slow down weight loss in some people, and may need to be avoided in the first two weeks . If you seem to be losing slowly, moderate your intake of these foods.

Here is the link to the Acceptable Foods for Induction

So 3 ounces of cream sweetened with Splenda or another suitable sweetener is ok. SF Jell-O is only made with aspartame. I make a dessert found on his site called Panna Cotta.

2 Cups Heavy Cream
1 pkg unflavored gelatin
1 vanilla bean
4 Packages Splenda
3 TBSP water
Place water in small dish, sprinkle gelatin over it to dissolve. Slice bean open, place in saucepan with cream. Scald cream, remove from heat. Stir in gelatin and splenda. Put in 6 custard cups and chill 3 hours. Net Carbs=3.5

ally
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Old Tue, Mar-18-03, 15:02
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Plan: Schwarzbein Principle II IS-BOAG
Stats: 174/155/120 Female 5'2"
BF:34%
Progress: 35%
Location: Pennsylvania
Unhappy Oh I forgot,

my MISTAKES...

wanting to weigh myself every day.
avoiding exercise.
forgetting (DOH!) to drink water.

AND...the one i hate the most:

Being invited to dinner at a the home of a new business aqaintance and being too shy to ask if there was sugar in anything. They did not know I was on Atkins, and they live in PA Dutch country and eat lots of sweets with dinner. I ate a cube steak with barely any gravy and green beans and passed on the rolls, jelly, homemade donuts, tapioca pudding, pinapple pudding, mashed potato casserole, and pound cake. I am not sure, but I think there was sugar in the green beans, sigh.

Ally
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Old Tue, Mar-18-03, 21:46
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Plan: Atkins
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Hello Alley,

Rather than beating yourself up, congratulate yourself on passing up all those other foods.

Just count some carbs for the sugar in the green beans.

You go girl, you did great. Being a newbie and not eating those foods that are bad for you, I give you a lot of credit. Many people would have just eaten the food and stalled themselves for a long time.

Celebrate with an extra glass of water.

Magic
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Old Wed, Mar-19-03, 10:33
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Plan: Schwarzbein Principle II IS-BOAG
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i make extra strong decaf coffee with splenda and cream and freeze it, then shave it-the flavor is built in. make it a little sweeter than you like it - when desserts freeze they don't taste as sweet.

i think i'll go have that congratulatory glass of water!

ally
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Old Tue, Mar-25-03, 00:45
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Plan: Atkins Life Maintenance!
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Progress: 107%
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As a newbie I did this wrong:

- was afraid of fat, having 70-77% of it now and losing weight.
- weighted myself 4xday
- did not check all info about water fluctuations in the body, salt impact on water retention and many more.

My humble advice: get as much info as you can, from www.atkinscenter.com and this great forum.

Alina
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Old Fri, Apr-25-03, 12:59
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Plan: Predominantly Atkins
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I have come back to LC after being gone from it (and this board) for a year, and was reading over some of Karen's "Hot Links," and came across this thread, and in particular the following quote. It rings SO true!! Take it from the girl who ditched out for a year for all the below reasons, and has come back with a much better - and SIMPLER attitude! I hate for the quote to get lost in the shuffle, so I'm re-posting it:

Quote:
Originally posted by PJ in Miam
Great thread Karen.

Lessons learned the hard way:

1. Meal replacements. Low-Carb bars, and even protein shakes, are not "meals". They may be better than starving or eating carbs (well, that is questionable in the case of the bars...), but that does not make them into a real-food meal.

1b: Mock Danish is not a meal.

1c: Four mock danish is not a 'big' meal. LOL.

2. Milk. I would buy a little milk for my daughter on the way to school, and she wouldn't drink it all. Then I would have the 'clean your plate' issue and the 'yeah but I spent money on it' issue and the 'it's just a little, technically I could arrange my carbs to have just a few tablespoons of milk' issue. What really happened is that it sent my carb and sugar cravings into the stratosphere (and messed up my eating for the rest of the day, as I then couldn't have the carbs I'd planned in various meals).

2b: She can drink milk at school with lunch. If I can't have it, then at home, she can drink what I drink -- water. It not only won't kill her, it will be good for her. I have stuff she can eat that I can't, esp. fruit, fruity yogurts, and occasional treats. But in general, low-carb foods are not some bizarre specialty item like medicine, that is only for me. Eating meat dishes and salads with green veggies as her dominant foods (beyond the stuff I mentioned I keep around), and the megadose of carbs she gets in school (sigh), is not unreasonable of me nor unhealthy for her.

2c: My first responsibility food-wise is to myself. It is not unfair to expect that I will not cook and distribute high-carb stuff to others. We do not make recovering alcoholics bartenders, and it would be ludicrous to assign one to 'pick up the beer' for the family barbecue. Obesity KILLS. While others act like it is some kind of social game, for me it could be life and death. My survival is more important to me than other peoples' hurt feelings. If they are not adult enough to understand the seriousness of this issue, they can get stuffed. The people most likely to make lowcarbing difficult are the same people who tend to have the most opinions about my being obese, ironically.

2d: If somebody living with me wants to have high-carb food, I understand perfectly. I also understand that we can have our own areas of the refrigerator, and they can learn to cook. If I had my cousin TJ, the body-builder's ability to stand around food and have zero interest in anything but Tuna and Water (around his competition times), then hey, no big deal, let me make you some mashed potatoes! But if I don't, then asking others around me to be responsible for _themselves_, instead of indirectly causing me grevious harm by expecting me to babysit their eating habits differently than my own, is ridiculous. (Note: also, eating MY reserved food is a crime. Period.) I realize that women, especially those over 35, often have trouble with this with their husbands. I divorced my husband and a small part of it was because he sabotaged my attempts to get healthier by doing LC. At first it's just health, but at some point you realize it is really life and death -- not just medically, but psychologically and socially. Pretty ironic that many people quite literally have to die for the one person they love enough to die for. 'Nuff said.

3. Cheese. If cheese were a god, it would be my religion. Too much melted invokes my 'texture-snob' nausea, but otherwise, I think I could go on a mostly-cheese diet and be happy. Alas, probably the thing in milk I respond to, affects me with cheese too, at least if I'm eating it in quantity. It sparked cravings (much more mild than milk, though).

3b. I was using cheese to 'drown' a variety of things for taste, instead of learning to really enjoy a piece of chicken or steak, without dumping a boatload of cheese and sour cream or whatever on top of it. Those things are nice, and it's fine to have them in a meal if you can, but again, they're playing into the same taste-game as high-carb stuff. The beauty of low carb is that it can teach your body to be sensitive to and appreciate the sugar in a ring of raw onion, in a thin slice of tomato, and the very thought of asparagus (which I hated till LC) can be downright orgasmic when you are craving something lighter than meat. By making everything with immense amounts of cheeses and creams and so forth, one almost misses the chance to really TASTE these foods.

4. Fake anything. I am tempted to rename my 'mock' everythings to something else. As long as I think of something as 'almost-like-pizza', I sort of miss real pizza, and notice what is not quite the same. If all LC recipes are stand-alone, they are just fine, even wonderful. I'm reminded of this health bar I used to visit where I would have carob 'Hercules Flips'. Now, if you were expecting it to taste like a chocolate shake, it would frankly be sickening. But once you accepted it as a 'carob hercules flip', you realized it had its own distinct taste like nothing else, and was wonderful. My point is that psychologically, I don't want to be The Pretender when it comes to food. I don't want to spend my life "almost" having pizza and "almost" having this or that. I am thrilled there are so many awesome LC-variants on dishes we're used to. But the "almost-somethings" make me feel deprived on some level. Either it's a low-carb food when made one way and it's "the same thing", or it's a different, UNIQUE food that low-carbers came up with, and it is its OWN thing. I know this sounds like stupid semantics, but my psychology is a big thing when it comes to sticking with LC, so I take such subtle things seriously.

PJ
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Old Sat, Apr-26-03, 07:43
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The legal treats

1, sweetened whipped cream daily

2, homeade peanut butter cups

3, alcohol

All three things stalled me. I am trying to stay away from the 'legal treats' till I reach my goal. Then only occasionally.
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Old Sun, Apr-27-03, 19:32
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Now I'm freaked out. I thought I was doing fine. Sugar-free jello seems pretty harmless. Heavy cream NEVER seemed harmless to me ("Honey, I'm trying a new approach to healthy eating; would you pick up some heavy cream & diet rite while you're out?"), but I am eating it b/c it is supposedly okay; or is it? I'm real confused & discouraged now. Maybe I have done nothing right these past few days!

Please clarify re this newbie mistake!
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Old Sat, May-17-03, 10:35
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Gap Girl,

How much cheese is too much? I have been eating as much as I want (about 5-10 slices a day). So far I have lose 5 pounds in 12 days. I am basically doing the following.

Meat- any type or kind (even lunch meat, hotdogs)
Veg - any green veg, squash, cauliflower
Salad - cheese, olives, ranch dressing
cottage cheese
cheese
eggs
butter
sugar free jello w/whipped cream
condiments, ketsup, relish,miracle whip, barbaque sause (I figue I get most of my carbs here)

Does this sound reasonable or am I fooling myself into thinking this will work. I don't eat any bread, pasta, cereal, fruit or sweets. So far no cravings. I feel good.

Lorri
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Old Mon, Jul-14-03, 08:57
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Plan: The New High Protein Diet
Stats: 266/222/147 Female 167cm
BF:42.9/34.2/23.7
Progress: 37%
Location: London, UK
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What's the deal with whipped cream?
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