Yes, as a matter of fact I have. I went to my brother's place for dinner one night, and his wife and their three grown children were there (some with girlfriends), and EVERYONE (except my brother) was a vegetarian or vegan! But, not to fear. I had already spoken to my brother earlier about this, and he is open to this WOE (wants to try it himself - and he's a doctor!). I ended up taking some bison and venison over there, and my brother and I ate that, while the others ate beans and rice and veggies. It was no big deal. And, at other times I have just made sure to take some cheese and jerky when going to someone's to eat. I then will eat whatever meat they have, but I don't feel that I have not had enough, since I snacked on cheese and jerky before dinner.

Karen,

Just eat before you go there... and tell them you "don't feel well" and "can't keep anything down" or whatever... if it even comes to that. You are only "doomed" as much as you want to be. Use your imagination if you REALLY want to do this!

Why not scrape the breading off the chicken and just say that wheat has been causing you problems lately?

i guess i really need to decide whether i really WANT to try this WOE long term, and if so i guess i have to have the guts to turn down veggies and salads when out at parties, cook outs, etc! Let me think more about this!! hmmmm

Don't worry Karen, you can do it. They'll soon get used to your path. You just have to make a conscious decision everytime you eat.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I really do have a wheat intolerance so all set there. I won't be tempted by the food because there are no cravings but it will be hard to have only meat and fat on my plate at a formal dinner party. I suppose it would be easier if it was casual because you could roam around and no-one would notice. I guess I just don't want to call attention to myself.

Maybe I should just put some veggies on my plate and not eat them. This is very hard for me to do because I have a frugal streak.

Good evening,
I have only just started on Meat & Eggs, and feel great. Now I'm reading here that you eat lots of cheese and cream besides the meat and fat. Do the carbs in the cream not halt the progress? or is this when you're on maintenance and lost all you need to lose? And what about the 100 grams of cheese maximum a day?
Just wondering!
I can't explain (except here, but here it's not necessary) how GOOD I feel on this way of eating.
And how simple is it!
I just hope my weightloss will continue.
Willeke

I agree but I follow meat/eggs/cheese diet from time to time for a while now long before reading bear story. When I'm really busy I don't want to waste time on being hungry or thinking about food. So protein/fat/ no carb diet is the only solution I found to work. And when I sleep very little it seems that with no carbs I can deal with that easier.
So for me it's not kind of artificial challenge to stay carb free but rather an effective way of eating which suits my lifestyle.
If I eat carbs it takes me 2-3 days to get back to feeling normal on zero carbs so I don't find any problems with that.
But I agree that from social point of view it can be hard.
People on CKD types of diet are back in keto after 2-3 days of massive carb consumption.
If you miss the non-meat food IMO it's better to go like 6 days carb free 1 day 'cheat day' rather then 7 days 'cheat a little'.
Some people can get away with some carbs on a low carb diet some must be strict to feel their best. But it's what this board is about. Finding the diet which works for a specific person.

I'd like to know more about this "keto adaptation" from anyone who has experience. I found what Bear said about it being disrupted pretty discouraging. Not from this WOE, I enjoy it.. and don't miss most things IF I STICK TO IT. But to be honest, I am going to have beer on occasion, I'd even like to have it every weekend once the weight permits... and raw milk, and chocolate. In the summer I'll probably have fruit a few times. I hate to think that this would somehow ruin how good I could potentially feel eating this way long term.

I've done CKD keto diets and am aware how quickly the body can get back into ketosis....I was just wondering if anyone could expand on how the occasional deviation would derail ketoadaptation .....continuously...

the human body is not a machine, it adapts. I've done Atkins a few times, the first time I simply floated through it, wonderful, no problems whatsoever. The second time it was a lot harder, but I still managed and the third time I never made any real progress. And I am stubborn, if I stick to a diet I stick to a diet, but I couldn't get into ketosis anymore and didn't lose weight.
I still stuck to it mostly (except for the few months that I tried Alan Carr;s diet) because I know that sugar is poison for me, and so is wheat.
Now after a few serious days on meat and eggs (and a little cheese) I am in ketosis and have the wonderful feeling back. I brim with energy, don't need so much sleep, and feel as if I finally found the solution for my stubborn metabolism.
I really hope this is the truth, and I know that by all my trying to eat "normal" after the times I felt so good on Atkins, I have caused my metabolism to get stuck in not wanting to produce ketones anymore.
So, I believe that switching from one to the other is not a good thing, but I'm sure there are people for whom this is no problem, but then they have a different metabolism than I have - ymmv is a true word (your mileage may vary - everybody needs to find their own individual way of eating that keeps them healthy and energetic)
Willeke

Hi all! I'm so happy I found you! It was pretty lonely yesterday, with the usual thread closed down.
Meat and fat are my favorite foods, so for me it is pretty easy. I am used to leaving carbs on my plate when I'm eating out, I find it easier than asking the waiter for a special plate, they always make so much fuss about it, being sure I know it won't cost me less, etc; so why bother? I prefer to be discreet about my woe, I don't feel like doing battle every time I'm going out. I don't have Bear's patience!
My big temptation is wine; I was born and raised in Europe, where wine is part of the meal, and I find the meat tastes so much better with a glass of wine.
I have been doing the zero carb woe since Feb 28, and it has been rather easy, it is so close to what I have been eating before anyway. But I plan to figure out if wine is really a problem or not, because it adds so much more excitement to this woe.
Thank you Rob for starting this new thread. It's comforting to be around you all who understand and share this woe.
Good luck to all as we are learning to eat for better health.

One thing though; my weight loss is very slow, it is so frustrating. I have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, and I take dessicated thyroid to help regulate it. Bear has mentioned that it is the extra weight that suppresses the thyroid and that medication is not the solution, weight loss is. Yeah, but hypothyroidism makes weight loss nearly impossible, there is the dilemma! What to do, what to do???
Any suggestion, anyone?

i wouldnt say i eat LOTS of cream and cheese. I have about 2-3 TB of cream a day in my coffee and eat 2-4 ozs of cheese a day. (even atkins induction tells you to limit cheese to 4 ozs and cream to 3 TB a day). I am losing weight with no problem using this amount of cream and cheese. I lost 7 lbs in 2 weeks eating the meat eggs cream cheese and butter diet! (even slipped up a little twice).

i know what you mean about feeling good, i dont have the cravings and i have more energy and need less sleep when eating this way!

If i were you i would stay on the medication FOR NOW! Once you lose more weight you probably won't NEED it any longer!

good morning meatE people.....
well I have been M/E for 2 1/2 weeks and the whole time I have had a pounding headache...I am not prone to headaches so it is a consern...I thought it was from the drop is salt so I increesed that and the dizzyness has gone but not the headache has not... this diet should not cause this, so I was woundering if anyone else has one?...Thank you all, Unity

you will probably have less of a headache when you drink a lot more water - ketosis always gives me a headache at first, so I take a lot more water and that's the only thing that helps.
Hope this helps you, too!
Willeke