Hi, there! I was around when the High-Fat Honeys (HFH) was founded. I followed it for a while, and then slowly fell away. Since that time I've had all kinds of issues -- won't bore you with it all here.

Anyway, recently I've run across a couple ladies (and gents) who advocate a high-fat, moderate-protein, extremely low carb way of eating. I, for one, try to shoot for 75% fat, 20% protein, and 5% carbs (no fiber deducted). I try to keep my calories up (currently around 2000) because I work out a lot and have been told by three doctors in a row now (in addition to zillions of people on the board here) that my 1400 calories a day was starving my body.

Unlike the HFHs, I don't believe you need to strive for these percentages at each and every meal. There are no rules here, at least none originating from me. If you'd like to stop by, chat a bit, and share some recipes, I'd love to hear from you.

Oh, I wanted to mention that I do try to use coconut oil whenever possible, but haven't found too many ways that I like using it. Maybe others have ideas.

Anyone interested?

Hi Bawdy! Your new thread idea is perfect. I'm also in favor of a more flexible approach to fat intake, and too many rules are no fun anyway.

I've been LC for a year now, and am pretty close to my goal. I started with Atkins, then realized that I don't do very well when I try to introduce carbs back into my diet. So for long-term weight maintenance, I've decided that high-fat, moderate protein, and as few carbs as possible is the way for me to go.

I am a big coconut oil advocate, and have up to 4 Tbsp. every day. I use it in my tea, and for cooking food. I do alot of eggs, beef, and dairy (cheese, cream). I am also very active, and try to keep around 2000 cals to lose weight, but can do up to 3000 without weight gain.

OK, my turn. I'm turning 51 next month and waiting for my estrogen to run out. Blood tests say I'm not menopausal yet, but I know it's coming. I've struggled this past year and gained 20 pounds despite eating less and working out more.

I'm 5'6" and currently weigh 167. I like being around 152. I'd probably love being 145 more, but haven't been there in about 20 years.

I like eating HF, MP, ELC, but find I rely too much on heavy cream and cream cheese. Here's today's menu, which I guess is pretty typical (this is only my fourth day, by the way):

Breakfast: Bawdy's Pumpkin Porridge (recipe in my journal) topped with butter and SF maple syrup, 2 sausage links
Snack: 2 oz cream cheese mixed with 1 Tbsp macadamia nut butter, 1 Tbsp heavy cream, and a bit of Splenda
Lunch: can of chunk light tuna with 3 Tbsp Miracle Whip
Snack: 1 Chocolate/Coconut bite (12 oz coconut oil, 1 oz unsweetened chocolate, a tablespoon of Splenda, mix together and put in 14-serving ice cube tray)
Dinner: 5 oz. cube steak fried in olive oil and butter (eaten with all the fat from the pan, and then some!), faux mashed potatoes with butter

This comes out to 2,176 calories with ratios of 70% fat, 23% protein, and 5% carbs.

Hi again! Your menu sounds really yummy! My menu is normally pretty plain, alot because I get lazy sometimes when it comes to food preparation. This is me today, so far, (and Day 3, refocused):

BF: green tea with 2 Tbsp (that's right! Tablespoons) coconut oil, dash Splenda, and 1/4 cup cream
Snack: several chunks of cheese, 3 squares 70% Lindt dark chocolate
lunch: leg, thigh, half a breast rotisserie chicken
snack: chunk of cheese, beef stick
dinner: think it's going to be chicken wings, wine.

I do alot of eggs, hamburgers, and sardines, too, but they didn't make it into the menu today. The chicken smelled so good when I went to the store that I had to buy it!

Anybody else have a menu?

Wine? You're having wine? Can I come over? I'm out of wine and everything else in the house. WAIT!!! I just remembered I have a bottle of champagne in the fridge.



On a more serious note, do you think that drinking alcohol has slowed down your loss any? I do enjoy a glass (or two) of wine or Irish whiskey in the evening. Sometimes I definitely know that I get the munchies when I have some, but other times not so sure if it really affects my loss at all. My lack of losing could be attributed to soooooo many other things, after all!

May I ask how old you are? A woman's body reacts to things differently at 30 and at 50. Just curious. (You don't have to answer if you don't want to.)

PS: I've been LCing since 1999. Much of the time has been spent in the low 150s, but I keep jumping back up to 165 or theresabouts.

OK, so scratch what I had put down for dinner tonight. A couple glasses of Champagne sounded oh so much better!

Hello, Bawdy Wench (your name is so Shakespeare!) and ChicknLady--
Mind if I drop in? I'm just learning. Bawdy Wench I'm so glad you mentioned coconut oil, because I bought some, but had no clue what to do with it--yay, make chocolate, or tea!
I have yet to hear any low carb writer advocate wine or liquor. Schwarzbein says it's converted to fat right quick, because it's a sugar. Alas! Maybe two Saturdays a month?
Drs. Richard and Rachael Heller of the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet say absolutely no sweeteners, because in their practice out of Mt Sinai Hospital, they found that people who start using Equal and Splenda and such stall. They attribute this to the insulin response in the body--sweetness reminiscent of sugar causes the body to automatically release insulin. You can look at their website--it's not too fancy--it mentions this phenomenon. Their books are much better.
As far as a menu for ChicknLady, you'll get some ideas from the Hellers books. But how about 1) roast beef rolled up around cream cheese inside of a lettuce leaf; 2) cottage cheese with baby spinach; 3) hamburger with brie melted on top; 4)chicken with green onions, green chile sauce, and Mexican cheese melted on top. I think I got that from Linda's recipes on the internet. It was a huge success.
I'm more focused on the Schwarzbein Principle for the time being. Moving sloooowly, which I attribute in part to an ancient metabolism, or maybe sneaking in unauthorized sweeteners!

Hi, Barb! While it is true that alcohol is metabolized first, it IS ok on certain plans like Protein Power. The Eades say to have your glass of wine, just be sure to count the carbs. In fact, wine INHIBITS insulin spikes. They even site studies where people ate the same things, but those who drank wine with their dinner lost more than those who abstained. Interesting, huh?

Artificial sweeteners is another topic that is heavily debated. I think if you have the equivalent of 6 or 7 sodas or other sweets a day, the artificial sweetener probably won't do you any good. On the other hand, if you have maybe one serving a day, I don't see that it will do any harm at all.

I'm not convinced that Scharzbein is the way to go -- for me, anyway. Others have found it to be the only plan that works for them. I just don't like eating that much that often, and I don't like eating grains and starchy carbs on a regular basis.

I guess we each have to find what works for us.

Thanks for the input!!!

I'd like to join. (Did read some of the pages from the HFH thread but, my goodness, 58 pages!!?? Who's got time for that?) Have been doing high fat for 3 days now and have lost 1.5 lbs. My menus have consisted of eggs, chix thighs, mayo and coconut oil in coffee and a few forkfuls of whatever veggies I've made for DH.

So the ONE (whew!) rule is to keep your fat percentage around 70% for the entire day and not each meal??? I've easily been getting up around 75-80% per meal/snack with the addition of coconut oil in my coffee.

Have a great 'fatty' day today.

Good morning! Welcome Barb! I see you just recently started LCing-way to go! I just passed the one-year mark in mid-Feb, and am really thankful that I found this WOL. I don't know much about Schwartzbein- what are the rules?

I drink merlot, which is a very dry red wine, and has about 1 carb per ounce. I also read somewhere that it has the most antioxidants of any wine, so it's fortunate that I like it better than any other wine anyway! I'll have one or two glasses (4 ounces?) several times a week, when I'm in the mood. I'll have an occasional low carb beer, like Mick Ultra (2-3 carbs per bottle). I don't think the alcohol really stalls me- it's more the cheese and nut over-eating.

Bawdy, I'm 38, so haven't gotten into the CHANGE issue yet. Friend of mine went thru it, and has done OK but she's having a harder time losing weight. 'Course she's a low-fatter despite all my efforts. Good luck to her!

I do drink diet pop some, but it didn't seem to stall me when I lost the majority of my weight last summer. I hit about 140, and the loss just stopped, like that's where my body wants to be. I's still like to see 135 before I die, but I'm not going to obcess about it! I'm focusing now on better health, and making LC a more solid part of my life (I still have sweets-cravings, and occasionally fall off the wagon once in a while).

Hi Cajuda! Your post popped in while I was typing, so I didn't see you- WELCOME!

You know, I've never really sat down and figured how many calories I get from fat vs. protein. I should do that for a day just to see what I'm getting. I think Bawdy suggested that we scrap the 70% goal from the old thread anyway, and just concentrate on making sure we get 'plenty'. I'm a firm believer in a high-fat diet for long-term health, not just as a weight-loss tool (although it works very well!).

Woohoo! Break out the wine!
You have given me so much 'food for thought,' I cannot do it justice at this moment. But I will definitely follow up on these insights.
Chickn, I'll get back to you on your Schwarzbein query when I have a window of time. I suspect that Bawdy knows quite a bit about it too.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate hearing from you, Bawdy Wench, ChicknLady and Cajuda. Fats are fabulous. I'm happy with fat. Let's keep it going!

Here's a synopsis of the Schwarzbein plan: http://www.lowcarb.ca/atkins-diet-a...-principle.html

Thanks for the link- so Schwarzbien sounds like a basic LC-type plan? It appears that it stresses the leaner meats like pork, chicken and fish, and non-carby veggies, olive oil etc... It sounds like it's similar to South Beach?

When I first started Atkins last year, I did it by the book, and ate my veggies like it said, but I just couldn't warm up to eating so many, so often. I like a salad once in a while eating out, and fresh broccoli and tomatoes in the summer, but I've accepted the fact that I'm just not ever going to be really into vegetables.

DH bought ten pounds of T-bones last night to put in the freezer, so I had one for BF this morning. MMMMMM! Gotta love that fat.

OK, everybody over to ChicknLady's digs for breakfast!