Two additional points:

I do not believe alcohol is allowed on induction. Therefore a person does not have to be using alcohol to an abuse level to be in denial about alcohol and induction.

Second, the PETA people are really too marginal in our culture to be the enemy. A far more worthy enemy of us all is the supermarket industry and their desire to sell us cheap junk foods with high profit margins that are harming our health. This applies to all of us who consume these products and not just those of us who are overweight.

Actually, point number three on that list controls my binge eating, so for me it is an ED treatment. Why would eating healthy, nutritious foods that satisfy one's appetite and stabilize blood sugar be considered an ED?

There's more than just those 10 that is disturbing. How about the ones that want to share a good way of cheating, such as chew n spit? Or how about
the fact that "I'm losing my hair" is a regular topic? Or I'm weak and have leg cramps? Or the loss of TOM?

Mio, you choices are your own and only you live inside your body and can make those choices. Probably staying on induction is less of a problem than constantly going on and off it if this results in your weight yo-yoing. But I have to question whether or not a way of eating that excludes two foods with some of our best antioxidants is in most people's long term best interests. These are nuts and berries.

I wonder if some people are on induction long term because they are dependent upon induction. I only did induction for a month but found it did not stop my cravings and the weight came back. For me personally, a more moderate approach to carbs works better, both for my mood and my appetite. Now I sometimes eat low carb bread and even beans without going back to my previous habit of binging. I have control and that is what matters to me.

Have you examined the types of fat you are consuming? (In other words, did you read the links I posted. )

That is all true, but I think that could happen on ANY diet that causes rapid weight loss. I have heard of those same symptoms in female athletes who weren't even dieting but their intake of nutrients was not balanced with their expendiature of energy.

IthinkIcan, you're likely to find those topics of discussion on any board that has weight loss as a focus, including WW boards. I posted a link in another thread recently to a WW board thread that was discussing hair loss.
Unfortunately, any forum that discusses weight loss is going to attract its share of eating disordered individuals. That doesn't mean that the eating plan caused the ED, but more that those with ED are attracted to weight loss forums. Good grief! There are entire support forums on the internet for anorexics and bulemics to encourage each other in continuing that behavior.
What I find frustrating and a little disturbing is when members are trying to tell someone who is already below a good weight for their reported height and/or body frame that they don't need to lose any more weight and others come along with a "you go, girl...keep losing!" post.

When you consider that a lot of weight loss is vanity driven, it is no minor thing to lose hair.

I think those forums where the anorexics and bulimics encourage each other are a true sign of how sick our society is when it comes to the female image. It reminds me of Sylvia Plath's line "The woman is perfected" refering to suicide.



Yes, these really bother me as well. I am not even sure we should be encouraging people to lose weight so much as we should be encouraging people to be well and make sound choices. How can we really judge what is right for another when it comes to weight issues. Weight issues are weighty. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) By this I mean they carry the freight of family issues, image issues, and perhaps all kinds of personal stuff that means we should really tread carefully. For the most part though, I do see people on this site being pretty considerate of each other. Politics aside.

Carrottop, while hair loss can be disturbing it doesn't automatically mean that something is seriously wrong with what a person is eating. Hair loss can be caused by a variety of things, including emotional stress, physical stress (such as weight loss), hormone changes (as in post pregnancy or menopause/perimenopause) and hormone imbalances such as hypothyroid as well as malnutrition. It can be genetic, even in women. It's always wise to check out unusual hair loss with your doctor, but really it's completely normal to lose some hair every day (estimates run 200-300 strands as normal).
As I mentioned before, even dieters following what would be considered by most to be a "reasonably balanced" diet such as Weight Watchers sometimes report hair loss as a side effect.



Most people are here because they are overweight and want support in losing that excess weight, so I believe that encouraging members in that respect is very appropriate and helpful. Yes, every now and then an eating disordered person comes along looking for a new way to lose still more weight but they are fairly rare and usually don't hang around too long once members start telling them that they are already too thin.
The focus of this forum is more than just weight loss. It's about healthy eating, healthy choices and a healthy body, not just a thinner one. In that respect, no I can't judge what is right for another person but goal weight is just one thing to consider when reading posts from a person who is already very thin. It doesn't take reading too many posts from some people to see that they have issues with body image or are drastically reducing calories/excercising excessively in an attempt to get *even thinner* all the time saying that they feel fat or hate their bodies. Those are the members that I encourage to stop and think about what they are doing to their bodies while pursuing an unrealistic goal. It may not change their minds, but at least it gives them something to think about.
Our society does have an unrealistic image of what is considered beautiful and unfortunately, there are those who are killing themselves, literally, to attain it.

Actually, I must say that I don't actually live on induction. It's more like a modified induction. I am not really an Atkins follower, since I believe that grains, legumes, and vegetable oils are generally off limits for healthy eating. I do, however, keep my carbohydrate intake very low, most days around 20 grams. I rarely eat anything more carby than green vegetables or nuts. Unfortunately after 4 years I still have found no way to stop the almost constant cravings I have, but they are much more tolerable when my carb level is very low.

I haven't yet read the links you posted, but I have thought at length about fats. After all, they are about 70% or so of my diet every day so good fats are very important to me. I have long known that vegetable oils such as corn and soybean oil are a very new addition to the human diet, much newer even than refined carbohydrate. Therefore I keep my consumption of them as low as possible. The same is true for any hyrogenated oil. Most of my fats come from animal fat, tropical oils, and some highly monounsaturated oils such as olive oil.

Hi mio,

As long as you are not deep frying or using the wrong fats at too high a heat then you probably aren't consuming too many transfats. As long as you are getting some Omega 3 fish and maybe some organic eggs, then you should be doing great.

Can't say I agree with you on the evils or grains and legumes (beyond the the problems presented by their high carb content) but I would certainly be interested in hearing your point of view.

Carrottop, I agree with you about focusing on helath rather than weight. I've lost a fair amount of weight on low carb, my wife is losing only very slowly and it sometimes frustrates her. But I tell her that she is eating healthy, and this is making her healthy reagardless of her weight. So we stick to a healthy, reasonable low carb approach and don't worry about doing tricks to get past a stall.

I am slowly losing too Tom. Very slowly. But I am over 50 and figure I could hurt myself if I do anything fast.

I never deep fry and never turn the stovetop to any setting above low medium. Oxidized fats are bad news!

Refusal to eat grains or legumes is a defining trait of a paleo-style diet such as Neanderthin. The backbone of my diet philosophy is best described by the author of Neanderthin , Ray Audette. "Your body cannot require what in nature it cannot acquire." Grains and legumes are generally inedible raw, so that means to me that our species is very likely not well adapted to eat them. This is the lc philosophy that I choose to follow. Well, most of the time

Thanks for the info mio. If I may be so bold: Does some of this thinking have to a way of life? That is to say a philosophy? Or is it purely for health reasons?

About the hair loss thing, I remember in my Nutri/System days they warned us that if we lost weight too fast we might lose some hair. It is never an issue with me, I lose weight super slowly. That was considered a "healthy" weight loss diet back in those times (low fat, low calorie).