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I get mine at Walmart. The Equate brand is GTF and in 200 mcg tablets and the label states that there's nothing else in it - just the chromium.

I just started reading CALP and I wanted to point out that you need to take it with water on an empty stomach....
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I was just wondering if someone could help - sorry to crash the thread lol

I take GTF chromium and have just upped it from 200mcg to 400, but just now I came across this article which now has me confused

http://www.mendosa.com/chromium.htm

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The concerns over the second most common form of chromium, GTF chromium, are not so serious and in fact would be laughable if fewer people hadn’t been deceived. It was in 1959 that Walter Mertz and his associates seemed to have demonstrated that chromium helped glucose to enter cells body by first converting chromium into a large chemical called glucose tolerance factor. They thought to be present in foods like brewer's yeast, which they described as superior sources of chromium. It turned out, however, that the process of chemical analysis was creating GTF.

“There is no doubt that GTF is an artifact,” University of Alabama Chemistry Professor John Vincent wrote me recently. Dr. Vincent is the leading expert working at present on the chemistry of chromium.

“I personally would not use chromium picolinate,” he wrote me in a separate email message. “The problem with the ‘GTF’ chromium is knowing what each company means by the term; depending on this, I might use the product.


I just buy GTF chromium from Holland and Barrett (high street health food chain her in England). According to this, it's all hokum! Then searching around, there's little reference to GTF chromium elsewhere,

Can anyone help? Just want to make sure I take the right stuff.

Also are there any resources giving info on studies into the effects of chromium supplementation, or any threads anywhere?

Thanks
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Now I'm all confused-
I'd love to take the chromium on an empty stomach- I usually forget before dinner! Also- chromium is talked about alot in the Carbohydrate Addicts Lifespan Program- the depletion of the chemical through the low-carb lifestyle. It says to ONLY get chromium GTF- not the dicolinate.
The directions on the bottle say take with food-
I'd love to hear from you who take it with only water!

Thanks!
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I was just wondering if someone could help - sorry to crash the thread lol

I take GTF chromium and have just upped it from 200mcg to 400, but just now I came across this article which now has me confused

http://www.mendosa.com/chromium.htm

it says



I just buy GTF chromium from Holland and Barrett (high street health food chain her in England). According to this, it's all hokum! Then searching around, there's little reference to GTF chromium elsewhere,

Can anyone help? Just want to make sure I take the right stuff.

Also are there any resources giving info on studies into the effects of chromium supplementation, or any threads anywhere?

Thanks
GTF chromium is best and most compatible with the body.

There were a couple of large studies that showed positive results.
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Now I'm all confused-
I'd love to take the chromium on an empty stomach- I usually forget before dinner! Also- chromium is talked about alot in the Carbohydrate Addicts Lifespan Program- the depletion of the chemical through the low-carb lifestyle. It says to ONLY get chromium GTF- not the dicolinate.
The directions on the bottle say take with food-
I'd love to hear from you who take it with only water!

Thanks!
Edy
I take it on an empty stomach first thing in the morning. I take two other doses with food.
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Amy
Greatminds, lol!!! I just posted this in my journal.

http://www.wellfx.com/InfoBase/chromium.html
Chromium

Diabetes
Strong Bones
Fatigue

Hypoglycemia
Anxiety


Chromium must be converted to a biologically active form for physiological function. Glucose tolerance factor (GTF), a biologically active form isolated from brewer's yeast, contains chromium (III), nicotinic acid, and the amino acids glycine, glutamic acid, and cysteine. GTF potentiates insulin's actions and therefore influences carbohydrate, lipid, and protein metabolism. It works with insulin to facilitate glucose uptake, regulate blood sugar levels, and stimulate protein synthesis.

The exact nature of the chromium-insulin interaction is unknown. Chromium may potentiate insulin action through direct action on insulin or its receptor, or it may regulate the synthesis of a molecule that potentiates insulin action. In clinical studies, GTF chromium has been shown to potentiate the effects of insulin and decrease serum cholesterol and triglycerides.

GTF (Glucose tolerance factor) is a molecule built around the mineral. Researchers developed chromium compounds that are more easily absorbed and utilized in the body (picolinate and polynicotinate, for example). Taken regularly, this trace mineral throws considerable therapeutic weight against the entire roster of problems caused or worsened by insulin resistance - including obesity, hypoglycemia, stroke, high blood pressure, Crohn's disease and colitis, ulcers, gastritis, multiple sclerosis, Meniere's disease, migraines, premenstrual tension, seizure disorders, and a host of psychiatric disturbances.

Chromium is indispensable for controlling noninsulin-dependent (Type II) diabetes. It may also benefit people who have the insulin-dependent (Type I) form of the condition.

Using 180 people from Beijing, China, who had Type II diabetes, Richard Anderson, Ph.D., from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Agriculture Research Service, proved that a daily 1,000 mcg (1 mg) dose of chromium picolinate could stabilize blood sugar in just two months. After four months of supplementation, they gained even stronger control of their blood glucose, insulin, and cholesterol.

Additional chromium is needed during pregnancy because the developing fetus increases demand for this mineral.

The average American diet is chromium deficient. Only one in ten Americans have an adequate amount of chromium in his or her diet.

High quantities of carbohydrates and sugar in the diet cause a loss of chromium from the body. When your body exhibits low levels of the trace mineral, your craving for sugars grows.

Even without dieting, chromium can increase your total lean body mass, which in turn speeds up your metabolism and burns additional fat.

Chromium helps to prevent the loss of lean muscle tissue if you intentionally cut back on calories.

A deficiency of chromium has also been associated with a higher chance of developing heart problems. Chromium helps raise the blood's concentration of artery-clearing HDL cholesterol and, at the same time, decreases LDL cholesterol and triglyceride levels. The reduction is even more impressive, researchers report, when a little niacin accompanies the chromium.

Chromium may alleviate chronic headaches and contribute to the treatment of acne, which appears to be caused in part by disturbed insulin metabolism.

Chromium makes bones strong by increasing DHEA levels, so it could figure into a treatment program for osteoporosis.

For obesity and other problems related to insulin resistance, the suggested daily dosage is 200-600 mcg; for full-blown diabetes or extreme obesity, 600 and 1,000 mcg per day.

Deficiency: Symptoms of chromium deficiency include glucose intolerance, elevated circulating insulin, glycosuria, fasting hyperglycemia, impaired growth, decreased longevity, elevated serum cholesterol and triglycerides, increased incidence of aortic plaques, peripheral neuropathy, brain disorders, decreased fertility and sperm count, negative nitrogen balance, and decreased respiratory quotient.

Children with protein-calorie malnutrition, diabetics, and older individuals may be especially susceptible to chromium deficiency.

Depleting Agents: The trend toward consuming highly processed foods may be a major contributing factor to this problem; appreciable losses of chromium occur in the refining of foods. Stressors such as elevated simple sugars, strenuous physical exercise or work, infection, and physical trauma may increase the loss of chromium, thereby increasing the need for chromium.

Sources: Chromium is found in the following food sources: beer, brewer's yeast, brown rice, cheese, meat, and whole grains. It may also be found in dried beans, blackstrap molasses, calf liver, chicken, corn and corn oil, dairy products, dried liver, dulse, eggs, mushrooms, and potatoes.

Herb Sources: Catnip, horsetail, licorice, nettle, oat straw, red clover, sarsaparilla, wild yam, and yarrow.

Precautions: If you suffer from low blood sugar you may experience symptoms of hypoglycemia if chromium is taken in excess.

Dosage Ranges and Duration of Administration: There are no RDAs established for chromium. The estimated safe and adequate daily dietary intakes of chromium are as follows:

Infants birth to 6 months: 10 to 40 mcg
Infants 6 to 12 months: 20 to 60 mcg
Children 1 to 3 years: 20 to 80 mcg
Children 4 to 6 years: 30 to 120 mcg
Children 7 to 10 years: 50 to 200 mcg
11+ years: 50 to 200 mcg
Dosage for disease prevention and treatment is typically 200 mcg chromium one to three times a day.

INTERACTIONS

Biguanide Antidiabetic Agents; Insulin Preparations; Sulfonylureas
A total of 115 patients with either Type I or Type II diabetes who were treated with chromium (200 mcg/day) required lower doses of insulin, sulfonylurea drugs, and metformin. The glycemic response to chromium treatment was greater for patients with Type II diabetes (57.2%). Chromium picolinate may benefit patients with Type II diabetes by increasing insulin sensitivity and stimulating insulin receptor sites.

Calcium Carbonate
Administration of 1 mL antacid suspension of calcium carbonate (150 mg) prior to treatment with 20 uCi 51chromium chloride minimized accumulation of chromium in the kidneys, testes, and spleen in male rats. These findings are supported by another study with female rats given antacid (40 mg) by gastric intubation (0.5 mL) followed orally by 55 uCi 51chromium chloride; chromium absorption was hindered by pretreatment with antacid.



Wow Zuleika! I think the amount of info you have whipped up on chromium is awesome as well as amazing. I was wondering if you help me clear up something. I have recently changed from cad to calp and would like to use the chromium option, however, I can not find chromium gtf in Australia, Melbourne. They only have chromium picilonate available it seems. But the Hellers were strong on only purchasing the gtf type and specifically states to not opt for the picolinate type. I tried the net but all sales are within the states and not abroad. any suggestions on what to do would be greatly appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Zuleikaa
Amy
Greatminds, lol!!! I just posted this in my journal.

http://www.wellfx.com/InfoBase/chromium.html
Chromium

Diabetes
Strong Bones
Fatigue

Hypoglycemia
Anxiety


Chromium must be converted to a biologically active form for physiological function. Glucose tolerance factor (GTF), a biologically active form isolated from brewer's yeast, contains chromium (III), nicotinic acid, and the amino acids glycine, glutamic acid, and cysteine. GTF potentiates insulin's actions and therefore influences carbohydrate, lipid, and protein metabolism. It works with insulin to facilitate glucose uptake, regulate blood sugar levels, and stimulate protein synthesis.

The exact nature of the chromium-insulin interaction is unknown. Chromium may potentiate insulin action through direct action on insulin or its receptor, or it may regulate the synthesis of a molecule that potentiates insulin action. In clinical studies, GTF chromium has been shown to potentiate the effects of insulin and decrease serum cholesterol and triglycerides.

GTF (Glucose tolerance factor) is a molecule built around the mineral. Researchers developed chromium compounds that are more easily absorbed and utilized in the body (picolinate and polynicotinate, for example). Taken regularly, this trace mineral throws considerable therapeutic weight against the entire roster of problems caused or worsened by insulin resistance - including obesity, hypoglycemia, stroke, high blood pressure, Crohn's disease and colitis, ulcers, gastritis, multiple sclerosis, Meniere's disease, migraines, premenstrual tension, seizure disorders, and a host of psychiatric disturbances.

Chromium is indispensable for controlling noninsulin-dependent (Type II) diabetes. It may also benefit people who have the insulin-dependent (Type I) form of the condition.

Using 180 people from Beijing, China, who had Type II diabetes, Richard Anderson, Ph.D., from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Agriculture Research Service, proved that a daily 1,000 mcg (1 mg) dose of chromium picolinate could stabilize blood sugar in just two months. After four months of supplementation, they gained even stronger control of their blood glucose, insulin, and cholesterol.

Additional chromium is needed during pregnancy because the developing fetus increases demand for this mineral.

The average American diet is chromium deficient. Only one in ten Americans have an adequate amount of chromium in his or her diet.

High quantities of carbohydrates and sugar in the diet cause a loss of chromium from the body. When your body exhibits low levels of the trace mineral, your craving for sugars grows.

Even without dieting, chromium can increase your total lean body mass, which in turn speeds up your metabolism and burns additional fat.

Chromium helps to prevent the loss of lean muscle tissue if you intentionally cut back on calories.

A deficiency of chromium has also been associated with a higher chance of developing heart problems. Chromium helps raise the blood's concentration of artery-clearing HDL cholesterol and, at the same time, decreases LDL cholesterol and triglyceride levels. The reduction is even more impressive, researchers report, when a little niacin accompanies the chromium.

Chromium may alleviate chronic headaches and contribute to the treatment of acne, which appears to be caused in part by disturbed insulin metabolism.

Chromium makes bones strong by increasing DHEA levels, so it could figure into a treatment program for osteoporosis.

For obesity and other problems related to insulin resistance, the suggested daily dosage is 200-600 mcg; for full-blown diabetes or extreme obesity, 600 and 1,000 mcg per day.

Deficiency: Symptoms of chromium deficiency include glucose intolerance, elevated circulating insulin, glycosuria, fasting hyperglycemia, impaired growth, decreased longevity, elevated serum cholesterol and triglycerides, increased incidence of aortic plaques, peripheral neuropathy, brain disorders, decreased fertility and sperm count, negative nitrogen balance, and decreased respiratory quotient.

Children with protein-calorie malnutrition, diabetics, and older individuals may be especially susceptible to chromium deficiency.

Depleting Agents: The trend toward consuming highly processed foods may be a major contributing factor to this problem; appreciable losses of chromium occur in the refining of foods. Stressors such as elevated simple sugars, strenuous physical exercise or work, infection, and physical trauma may increase the loss of chromium, thereby increasing the need for chromium.

Sources: Chromium is found in the following food sources: beer, brewer's yeast, brown rice, cheese, meat, and whole grains. It may also be found in dried beans, blackstrap molasses, calf liver, chicken, corn and corn oil, dairy products, dried liver, dulse, eggs, mushrooms, and potatoes.

Herb Sources: Catnip, horsetail, licorice, nettle, oat straw, red clover, sarsaparilla, wild yam, and yarrow.

Precautions: If you suffer from low blood sugar you may experience symptoms of hypoglycemia if chromium is taken in excess.

Dosage Ranges and Duration of Administration: There are no RDAs established for chromium. The estimated safe and adequate daily dietary intakes of chromium are as follows:

Infants birth to 6 months: 10 to 40 mcg
Infants 6 to 12 months: 20 to 60 mcg
Children 1 to 3 years: 20 to 80 mcg
Children 4 to 6 years: 30 to 120 mcg
Children 7 to 10 years: 50 to 200 mcg
11+ years: 50 to 200 mcg
Dosage for disease prevention and treatment is typically 200 mcg chromium one to three times a day.

INTERACTIONS

Biguanide Antidiabetic Agents; Insulin Preparations; Sulfonylureas
A total of 115 patients with either Type I or Type II diabetes who were treated with chromium (200 mcg/day) required lower doses of insulin, sulfonylurea drugs, and metformin. The glycemic response to chromium treatment was greater for patients with Type II diabetes (57.2%). Chromium picolinate may benefit patients with Type II diabetes by increasing insulin sensitivity and stimulating insulin receptor sites.

Calcium Carbonate
Administration of 1 mL antacid suspension of calcium carbonate (150 mg) prior to treatment with 20 uCi 51chromium chloride minimized accumulation of chromium in the kidneys, testes, and spleen in male rats. These findings are supported by another study with female rats given antacid (40 mg) by gastric intubation (0.5 mL) followed orally by 55 uCi 51chromium chloride; chromium absorption was hindered by pretreatment with antacid.



Wow Zuleika! I think the amount of info you have whipped up on chromium is awesome as well as amazing. I was wondering if you help me clear up something. I have recently changed from cad to calp and would like to use the chromium option, however, I can not find chromium gtf in Australia, Melbourne. They only have chromium picilonate available it seems. But the Hellers were strong on only purchasing the gtf type and specifically states to not opt for the picolinate type. I tried the net but all sales are within the states and not abroad. any suggestions on what to do would be greatly appreciated.
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I bought some chromium to do that option but my problem is taking it it says to take it alone not to close to other meds or food. Does anyone have any suggestion to help me keep up with it?
Hope all is doing well OP. I am doing pretty good.
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That's so interesting- mine says take only with food. I kept forgetting, but now I take it with my multivitamin in the mornings with my coffee. It's been doing ok- haven't necessarily felt different or seen any results, though.
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That's so interesting- mine says take only with food. I kept forgetting, but now I take it with my multivitamin in the mornings with my coffee. It's been doing ok- haven't necessarily felt different or seen any results, though.


Edy, That is interesting what kind do you take? I thought that Mr. Heller's book said to take alone. Where do you get yours I got mine at GNC but am not sure its the right stuff. Thanks
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I got mine from Wild Oats (grocer)- it's the Wild Oats brand, but says it's ChromeMate GTF. Directions are take with food. It's 200mcg of chromium and 1.8 mg of Niacin.
I have always been very sensitive to any sort of medication or herbs- it normally makes me sick- I got the chromium to help, but over the last few weeks, I've had headaches, mood swings and my weight has NOT gone down, even though I've stayed pretty balanced. I know there are all kinds of factors, it just always seems to stem back to some new pill I'm trying.
Yeesh!
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