I'm not one of those people who is heavy from eating large
quantities of food nor horribly unhealthy food. I believe its
a combination of genetics and dieting my way up to obesity
affecting my set point in my earlier years. Now its
impossible. A couple of months ago, I went thru lst week of
Atkins induction, was thrilled at unprecedented 6 lb loss, but
then, just as always and inexplicably, my weight began to
creep up during the next few days (still religiously on
induction). I gave up at that time. So, my weight stayed
pretty stable as it has for the last 10 months or so, then
bam, gained 12 lbs in one month - nothing different in the way
I was eating from before. I freaked out wondering where this
was going to end, so I immediately took myself off of all
bread and flour, and did induction type food except had fruit
(not bananas, but the lower glycemic ones). Well, lost 9 lbs
in five days, but during following 5 days, gained back 4 lbs.
I am premenstrual now, but from about the time I could
determine I was in peri-menopause, my body has changed, and
experience premenopause a good 2 1/2 weeks out of the month.
This may or may not be the cause why I loose what I assume is
water weight, then there seems to be some kind of internal
adjustment, and the lbs creep back up. It's disheartening.
Have any of you who are in peri-menopause experiencing similar
difficulties? No, I'm no exercising right now, yes - I know it
will help, but I'm sorry, making the dietary changes I have
during dieting periods, and now currently, with or without
exercise, it is not logical that it does not reflect in weight
loss, even if very, very slow - but certainly not weight gain.
And no, I'm not eating large amounts of food. Your comments
appreciated.

--
"Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate
battle." Philo of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a
response. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X WITH 4

Robin <robinxjoy~yahoo.com> wrote in news:robinxjoy-
CBBFC9.11324004112003~news.west.cox.net:

  > I'm not one of those people who is heavy from eating large
  > quantities of food nor horribly unhealthy food. I believe
  > its a combination of genetics and dieting my way up to
  > obesity affecting my set point in my earlier years. Now its
  > impossible. A couple of months ago, I went thru lst week of
  > Atkins induction, was thrilled at unprecedented 6 lb loss,
  > but then, just as always and inexplicably, my weight began
  > to creep up during the next few days (still religiously on
  > induction). I gave up at that time. So, my weight stayed
  > pretty stable as it has for the last 10 months or so, then
  > bam, gained 12 lbs in one month - nothing different in the
  > way I was eating from before. I freaked out wondering where
  > this was going to end, so I immediately took myself off of
  > all bread and flour, and did induction type food except had
  > fruit (not bananas, but the lower glycemic ones). Well, lost
  > 9 lbs in five days, but during following 5 days, gained back
  > 4 lbs. I am premenstrual now, but from about the time I
  > could determine I was in peri-menopause, my body has
  > changed, and experience premenopause a good 2 1/2 weeks out
  > of the month. This may or may not be the cause why I loose
  > what I assume is water weight, then there seems to be some
  > kind of internal adjustment, and the lbs creep back up. It's
  > disheartening. Have any of you who are in peri-menopause
  > experiencing similar difficulties? No, I'm no exercising
  > right now, yes - I know it will help, but I'm sorry, making
  > the dietary changes I have during dieting periods, and now
  > currently, with or without exercise, it is not logical that
  > it does not reflect in weight loss, even if very, very slow
  > - but certainly not weight gain. And no, I'm not eating
  > large amounts of food. Your comments appreciated.
  >

Hi, Robin.

During peri lots of women (most?) find that their weight
fluctuates (mostly up!) and it's pretty normal. But it sounds
like you were doing well and this on-again, off-again try at
low carbing may be the problem.

I'm pretty new to LC, but one thing I keep reading is that the
weight loss is *not* steady. Basically, I LC to keep my
glucose under control, so I only weigh myself once a week. I'm
losing, but it's not steady and it's not fast, which is fine
with me. This is a way of living, not a quickie lose-pounds
diet. Like you, I tried a lot of those, and ended up dieting
myself up to about 300 pounds.

I hear a certain desperation in your post, and I want to
suggest that you try to adopt LC as a way of life and forget
about the scale. See how your clothes fit. See how you feel,
especially after the first two weeks. I found I have more
energy, no heartburn, and, oddly enough, my hair is less
oily. (Go fig!)

If you'd like to talk about menopausal issues, come on over to
alt.support.menopause any time.

Chakolate

--

On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to
frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and
a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.
--Rudyard Kipling

In article <Xns94298EF0A2FA5chakolatehotmailcom~130.133.1.4>,
Chakolate <chakolateDeathToSpammers~hotmail.com> wrote:

  > Robin <robinxjoy~yahoo.com> wrote in news:robinxjoy-
  > CBBFC9.11324004112003~news.west.cox.net:
  >
     > > I'm not one of those people who is heavy from eating large
     > > quantities of food nor horribly unhealthy food. I believe
     > > its a combination of genetics and dieting my way up to
     > > obesity affecting my set point in my earlier years. Now
     > > its impossible. A couple of months ago, I went thru lst
     > > week of Atkins induction, was thrilled at unprecedented 6
     > > lb loss, but then, just as always and inexplicably, my
     > > weight began to creep up during the next few days (still
     > > religiously on induction). I gave up at that time. So, my
     > > weight stayed pretty stable as it has for the last 10
     > > months or so, then bam, gained 12 lbs in one month -
     > > nothing different in the way I was eating from before. I
     > > freaked out wondering where this was going to end, so I
     > > immediately took myself off of all bread and flour, and
     > > did induction type food except had fruit (not bananas, but
     > > the lower glycemic ones). Well, lost 9 lbs in five days,
     > > but during following 5 days, gained back 4 lbs. I am
     > > premenstrual now, but from about the time I could
     > > determine I was in peri-menopause, my body has changed,
     > > and experience premenopause a good 2 1/2 weeks out of the
     > > month. This may or may not be the cause why I loose what I
     > > assume is water weight, then there seems to be some kind
     > > of internal adjustment, and the lbs creep back up. It's
     > > disheartening. Have any of you who are in peri-menopause
     > > experiencing similar difficulties? No, I'm no exercising
     > > right now, yes - I know it will help, but I'm sorry,
     > > making the dietary changes I have during dieting periods,
     > > and now currently, with or without exercise, it is not
     > > logical that it does not reflect in weight loss, even if
     > > very, very slow - but certainly not weight gain. And no,
     > > I'm not eating large amounts of food. Your comments
     > > appreciated.
     > >
  >
  > Hi, Robin.
  >
  > During peri lots of women (most?) find that their weight
  > fluctuates (mostly up!) and it's pretty normal. But it
  > sounds like you were doing well and this on-again, off-again
  > try at low carbing may be the problem.
  >
  > I'm pretty new to LC, but one thing I keep reading is that
  > the weight loss is *not* steady. Basically, I LC to keep my
  > glucose under control, so I only weigh myself once a week.
  > I'm losing, but it's not steady and it's not fast, which is
  > fine with me. This is a way of living, not a quickie
  > lose-pounds diet. Like you, I tried a lot of those, and
  > ended up dieting myself up to about 300 pounds.
  >
  > I hear a certain desperation in your post, and I want to
  > suggest that you try to adopt LC as a way of life and forget
  > about the scale. See how your clothes fit. See how you feel,
  > especially after the first two weeks. I found I have more
  > energy, no heartburn, and, oddly enough, my hair is less
  > oily. (Go fig!)
  >
  > If you'd like to talk about menopausal issues, come on over
  > to alt.support.menopause any time.
  >
  >
  > Chakolate

YOu have addressed all my concerns and I did not know some of
what you explained to me. Thank you so very much. It's works
better for me to weigh everyday, although I'm often
disappointed, at least there's not a week of excited
anticipation only to be disheartened. On the other hand, I
will consider not weighing at all doing as you suggest to see
how my clothes fit and how I feel. I do have more energy, my
face isn't puffy in the mornings, no acid reflux. Are you
taking vitamins? Robin

--
"Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate
battle." Philo of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a
response. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X WITH 4

Robin,

I was perimenopausal when I started low carbing in 1998. I
had gained over 20 lbs in the previous two years despite
dieting, though my weight had been under control all my life
before that.

It turned out that my blood sugar had crept up and the very
high amounts of insulin my body was pumping out were making me
ravenously hungry. Low carbing curbed the hunger and I was
able to lose about 20 lbs, though once they came off, I
couldn't lose anything else for years.

Now I'm fully menopausal and I have managed to take off
another 14 pounds. For me it has required intense attention
to calories, too. Not just carbs. And I have to maintain
that focus all the time to maintain. It's not easy. But it
can be done.

I agree with Chakolate that you can't go on and off the diet
and expect to see progress. Try it for a month before you draw
any conclusions. And do whatever version you're doing
throughout that time without cheating. Only then will you be
able to see whether it will work for you.

Good luck!

-- Jenny

Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb
9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for
Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low
Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? *
Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do
Starch Blockers Work?

"Robin" <robinxjoy~yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:robinxjoy-44A4E4.12551704112003~news.west.cox.net...
  >In article <Xns94298EF0A2FA5chakolatehotmailcom~130.133.1.4>,
  > Chakolate <chakolateDeathToSpammers~hotmail.com> wrote:
  >
     > > Robin <robinxjoy~yahoo.com> wrote in news:robinxjoy-
     > > CBBFC9.11324004112003~news.west.cox.net:
     > >
       > > > I'm not one of those people who is heavy from eating
       > > > large quantities
of
       > > > food nor horribly unhealthy food. I believe its a
       > > > combination of genetics and dieting my way up to obesity
       > > > affecting my set point in my earlier years. Now its
       > > > impossible. A couple of months ago, I went
thru
       > > > lst week of Atkins induction, was thrilled at
       > > > unprecedented 6 lb loss, but then, just as always and
       > > > inexplicably, my weight began to creep up during the
       > > > next few days (still religiously on induction). I
       > > > gave up
at
       > > > that time. So, my weight stayed pretty stable as it has
       > > > for the last
10
       > > > months or so, then bam, gained 12 lbs in one month -
       > > > nothing different in the way I was eating from before. I
       > > > freaked out wondering where
this
       > > > was going to end, so I immediately took myself off of
       > > > all bread and flour, and did induction type food except
       > > > had fruit (not bananas, but the lower glycemic ones).
       > > > Well, lost 9 lbs in five days, but during following 5
       > > > days, gained back 4 lbs. I am premenstrual now, but from
       > > > about the time I could determine I was in
       > > > peri-menopause, my body has changed, and experience
       > > > premenopause a good 2 1/2 weeks out of the month. This
       > > > may or may not be the cause why I loose what I assume is
       > > > water weight, then there seems to be some kind of
       > > > internal adjustment, and the lbs creep back up. It's
       > > > disheartening. Have any of you who
are
       > > > in peri-menopause experiencing similar difficulties? No,
       > > > I'm no exercising right now, yes - I know it will help,
       > > > but I'm sorry, making the dietary changes I have during
       > > > dieting periods, and now currently, with or without
       > > > exercise, it is not logical that it does not reflect
in
       > > > weight loss, even if very, very slow - but certainly not
       > > > weight gain. And no, I'm not eating large amounts of
       > > > food. Your comments
appreciated.
       > > >
     > >
     > > Hi, Robin.
     > >
     > > During peri lots of women (most?) find that their weight
     > > fluctuates
(mostly
     > > up!) and it's pretty normal. But it sounds like you were
     > > doing well and this on-again, off-again try at low carbing
     > > may be the problem.
     > >
     > > I'm pretty new to LC, but one thing I keep reading is that
     > > the weight
loss
     > > is *not* steady. Basically, I LC to keep my glucose under
     > > control, so I only weigh myself once a week. I'm losing,
     > > but it's not steady and it's not fast, which is fine with
     > > me. This is a way of living, not a quickie lose-pounds
     > > diet. Like you, I tried a lot of those, and ended up
dieting
     > > myself up to about 300 pounds.
     > >
     > > I hear a certain desperation in your post, and I want to
     > > suggest that
you
     > > try to adopt LC as a way of life and forget about the
     > > scale. See how
your
     > > clothes fit. See how you feel, especially after the first
     > > two weeks. I found I have more energy, no heartburn, and,
     > > oddly enough, my hair is
less
     > > oily. (Go fig!)
     > >
     > > If you'd like to talk about menopausal issues, come on
     > > over to alt.support.menopause any time.
     > >
     > >
     > > Chakolate
  >
  > YOu have addressed all my concerns and I did not know some
  > of what you explained to me. Thank you so very much. It's
  > works better for me to weigh everyday, although I'm often
  > disappointed, at least there's not a week of excited
  > anticipation only to be disheartened. On the other hand, I
  > will consider not weighing at all doing as you suggest to
  > see how my clothes fit and how I feel. I do have more
  > energy, my face isn't puffy in the mornings, no acid reflux.
  > Are you taking vitamins? Robin
  >
  > --
  > "Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate
  > battle." Philo
of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a response. TO EMAIL,
REPLACE X WITH 4

  > YOu have addressed all my concerns and I did not know some
  > of what you explained to me. Thank you so very much. It's
  > works better for me to weigh everyday, although I'm often
  > disappointed, at least there's not a week of excited
  > anticipation only to be disheartened. On the other hand, I
  > will consider not weighing at all doing as you suggest to
  > see how my clothes fit and how I feel. I do have more
  > energy, my face isn't puffy in the mornings, no acid reflux.
  > Are you taking vitamins? Robin

It sounds (reads?) to me that you should not weigh every
day---it only depresses you and makes you decide to give up.
You are going back and forth instead of getting on the diet
and staying there. Set a goal--not a weight goal, but a time
goal. Say, "I will keep on this diet until January first, no
matter what!" instead of saying "If I don't lose 2 pounds by
Sunday I'm going to give up!" That way, if you do weigh
yourself and find an uptick, you can say, "So what--it isn't
January first yet!"

Pat in TX

  > This may or may not be the cause why I loose what I assume
  > is water weight, then there seems to be some kind of
  > internal adjustment, and the lbs creep back up. It's
  > disheartening. Have any of you who are in peri-menopause
  > experiencing similar difficulties?

Yes; exactly what you say, Robin.

  > And no, I'm not eating large amounts of food. Your comments
  > appreciated.

I only weigh myself once a month so I can't report on much,
but I don't feel appreciably thinner in any way (clothes
fitting, etc.) than I did after I lost my initial 15 lbs
last month.

Perimenopause seems to put me in perpetual PMS without ever
having the "m" to reduce the bloating. I told my gyn. about
this last year and he gave me a diuretic, but I don't like
to take them as I know they can cause potassium depletion
and I hate the potassium supplements (they upset my
stomach). While my weight has stayed roughly the same for
the past 2-3 years, in the space of about 4 months last year
I gained an entire bra (circumference) and cup size, which I
have not been able to reduce -- WTF?!? Not what I expected
at age 50, I tell ya. :-(

I'm not sure where to turn or whom to ask about this stuff. My
(male) doctors -- internal med. guy and my gyn. -- just shrug
and concede the menopausal stuff is "tough" to deal with,
bloating happens, blah blah. They are good guys but I think
they see so much of this, and there isn't an answer,
apparently. I do have a sluggish thyroid and take Synthroid,
but it doesn't seem to jump-start my metabolism noticeably.

Well, all these words just to tell you that I feel your pain,
Robin. Perhaps severely restricting salt intake will help us
debloat a bit. I have started using my husband's salt
substitute (potassium chloride) instead of sodium. I tell you,
though... it's always freakin' something.
  :-( (in a grumpy mood tonight! LOL)

- Anne

In article <hennypennynospam-0411032208270001~192.168.1.102>,
hennypennynospam~cox.net (Anne) wrote:

     > > This may or may not be the cause why I loose what I assume
     > > is water weight, then there seems to be some kind of
     > > internal adjustment, and the lbs creep back up. It's
     > > disheartening. Have any of you who are in peri-menopause
     > > experiencing similar difficulties?
  >
  > Yes; exactly what you say, Robin.
  >
     > > And no, I'm not eating large amounts of food. Your
     > > comments appreciated.
  >
  > I only weigh myself once a month so I can't report on much,
  > but I don't feel appreciably thinner in any way (clothes
  > fitting, etc.) than I did after I lost my initial 15 lbs
  > last month.
  >
  > Perimenopause seems to put me in perpetual PMS without ever
  > having the "m" to reduce the bloating. I told my gyn. about
  > this last year and he gave me a diuretic, but I don't like
  > to take them as I know they can cause potassium depletion
  > and I hate the potassium supplements (they upset my
  > stomach). While my weight has stayed roughly the same for
  > the past 2-3 years, in the space of about 4 months last year
  > I gained an entire bra (circumference) and cup size, which I
  > have not been able to reduce -- WTF?!? Not what I expected
  > at age 50, I tell ya. :-(
  >
  > I'm not sure where to turn or whom to ask about this stuff.
  > My (male) doctors -- internal med. guy and my gyn. -- just
  > shrug and concede the menopausal stuff is "tough" to deal
  > with, bloating happens, blah blah.
  >
Let me guess - HMO?

They are good guys but I think they see so much of this, and
there isn't
  > an answer, apparently. I do have a sluggish thyroid and take
  > Synthroid, but it doesn't seem to jump-start my metabolism
  > noticeably.

Same here.

  > Well, all these words just to tell you that I feel your
  > pain, Robin. Perhaps severely restricting salt intake will
  > help us debloat a bit. I have started using my husband's
  > salt substitute (potassium chloride) instead of sodium. I
  > tell you, though... it's always freakin' something.
  > :-( (in a grumpy mood tonight! LOL)
  >
  > - Anne
I use salt substitute. Good luck Anne. It was good to "talk"
to you. Robin

--
"Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate
battle." Philo of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a
response. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X WITH 4

Robin <robinxjoy~yahoo.com> wrote in news:robinxjoy-
44A4E4.12551704112003~news.west.cox.net:

  > It's works better for me to weigh everyday, although I'm
  > often disappointed, at least there's not a week of excited
  > anticipation only to be disheartened. On the other hand, I
  > will consider not weighing at all doing as you suggest to
  > see how my clothes fit and how I feel. I do have more
  > energy, my face isn't puffy in the mornings, no acid
  > reflux. Are you taking vitamins?
  >

As long as you're at it, why not do a full measuring? I
noticed the first thing that my waist was smaller, and it
turned out I lost 2 inches the first month.

As for vits, I'm pretty lackadaisical about them. I figure if
I forget them, it's because my body doesn't need those vits at
that time. :-)

I do take magnesium, though, because I used to eat a lot of
chocolate (the screen name is not an accident) and my body
seems to be used to having lots of magnesium. I also take a
good multivit+min, and a C.

Chakolate

--

On sadness: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or to
frowst with a book by the fire, But to take a large hoe and
a shovel also, And to dig till you gently perspire.
--Rudyard Kipling

Jenny, Your story is interesting. As it happens, I did visit
an Endocrinologist recently to see if there is a problem
there, so I'm scheduled for a glucose tolerance test. It will
be interesting to see the results, but I don't now, nor have I
ever experienced ravenous hunger that you did due to insulin.
Boy, it's really a fight, isn't it? I do think you and Pat
made good suggestions, for instance, setting a goal date
rather than a goal weight. Think I'll do that, thanks for the
feedback. Isn't this group the best?? Robin

In article <bo9bvn$1qt$1~bob.news.rcn.net>,
"Jenny" <jenny_the_bean~yahoo.com> wrote:

  > Robin,
  >
  > I was perimenopausal when I started low carbing in 1998. I
  > had gained over 20 lbs in the previous two years despite
  > dieting, though my weight had been under control all my life
  > before that.
  >
  > It turned out that my blood sugar had crept up and the very
  > high amounts of insulin my body was pumping out were making
  > me ravenously hungry. Low carbing curbed the hunger and I
  > was able to lose about 20 lbs, though once they came off, I
  > couldn't lose anything else for years.
  >
  > Now I'm fully menopausal and I have managed to take off
  > another 14 pounds. For me it has required intense attention
  > to calories, too. Not just carbs. And I have to maintain
  > that focus all the time to maintain. It's not easy. But it
  > can be done.
  >
  > I agree with Chakolate that you can't go on and off the diet
  > and expect to see progress. Try it for a month before you
  > draw any conclusions. And do whatever version you're doing
  > throughout that time without cheating. Only then will you be
  > able to see whether it will work for you.
  >
  > Good luck!
  >
  > -- Jenny
  >
  > Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb
  > 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now
  >
  > http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
  > your need for protein * How much people really lose each
  > month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for
  > Hunger Cravings
  > * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low
  > Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? *
  > Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do
  > Starch Blockers Work?
  >
  >
  > "Robin" <robinxjoy~yahoo.com> wrote in message
  > news:robinxjoy-44A4E4.12551704112003~news.west.cox.net...
     > > In article
     > > <Xns94298EF0A2FA5chakolatehotmailcom~130.133.1.4>,
     > > Chakolate <chakolateDeathToSpammers~hotmail.com> wrote:
     > >
       > > > Robin <robinxjoy~yahoo.com> wrote in news:robinxjoy-
       > > > CBBFC9.11324004112003~news.west.cox.net:
       > > >
       > > > > I'm not one of those people who is heavy from eating
       > > > > large quantities
  > of
       > > > > food nor horribly unhealthy food. I believe its a
       > > > > combination of genetics and dieting my way up to
       > > > > obesity affecting my set point in my earlier years.
       > > > > Now its impossible. A couple of months ago, I went
  > thru
       > > > > lst week of Atkins induction, was thrilled at
       > > > > unprecedented 6 lb loss, but then, just as always and
       > > > > inexplicably, my weight began to creep up during the
       > > > > next few days (still religiously on induction). I gave
       > > > > up
  > at
       > > > > that time. So, my weight stayed pretty stable as it
       > > > > has for the last
  > 10
       > > > > months or so, then bam, gained 12 lbs in one month -
       > > > > nothing different in the way I was eating from before.
       > > > > I freaked out wondering where
  > this
       > > > > was going to end, so I immediately took myself off of
       > > > > all bread and flour, and did induction type food
       > > > > except had fruit (not bananas, but the lower glycemic
       > > > > ones). Well, lost 9 lbs in five days, but during
       > > > > following 5 days, gained back 4 lbs. I am premenstrual
       > > > > now, but from about the time I could determine I was
       > > > > in peri-menopause, my body has changed, and experience
       > > > > premenopause a good 2 1/2 weeks out of the month. This
       > > > > may or may not be the cause why I loose what I assume
       > > > > is water weight, then there seems to be some kind of
       > > > > internal adjustment, and the lbs creep back up. It's
       > > > > disheartening. Have any of you who
  > are
       > > > > in peri-menopause experiencing similar difficulties?
       > > > > No, I'm no exercising right now, yes - I know it will
       > > > > help, but I'm sorry, making the dietary changes I have
       > > > > during dieting periods, and now currently, with or
       > > > > without exercise, it is not logical that it does not
       > > > > reflect
  > in
       > > > > weight loss, even if very, very slow - but certainly
       > > > > not weight gain. And no, I'm not eating large amounts
       > > > > of food. Your comments
  > appreciated.
       > > > >
       > > >
       > > > Hi, Robin.
       > > >
       > > > During peri lots of women (most?) find that their weight
       > > > fluctuates
  > (mostly
       > > > up!) and it's pretty normal. But it sounds like you were
       > > > doing well and this on-again, off-again try at low
       > > > carbing may be the problem.
       > > >
       > > > I'm pretty new to LC, but one thing I keep reading is
       > > > that the weight
  > loss
       > > > is *not* steady. Basically, I LC to keep my glucose
       > > > under control, so I only weigh myself once a week. I'm
       > > > losing, but it's not steady and it's not fast, which is
       > > > fine with me. This is a way of living, not a quickie
       > > > lose-pounds diet. Like you, I tried a lot of those, and
       > > > ended up
  > dieting
       > > > myself up to about 300 pounds.
       > > >
       > > > I hear a certain desperation in your post, and I want to
       > > > suggest that
  > you
       > > > try to adopt LC as a way of life and forget about the
       > > > scale. See how
  > your
       > > > clothes fit. See how you feel, especially after the
       > > > first two weeks. I found I have more energy, no
       > > > heartburn, and, oddly enough, my hair is
  > less
       > > > oily. (Go fig!)
       > > >
       > > > If you'd like to talk about menopausal issues, come on
       > > > over to alt.support.menopause any time.
       > > >
       > > >
       > > > Chakolate
     > >
     > > YOu have addressed all my concerns and I did not know some
     > > of what you explained to me. Thank you so very much. It's
     > > works better for me to weigh everyday, although I'm often
     > > disappointed, at least there's not a week of excited
     > > anticipation only to be disheartened. On the other hand, I
     > > will consider not weighing at all doing as you suggest to
     > > see how my clothes fit and how I feel. I do have more
     > > energy, my face isn't puffy in the mornings, no acid
     > > reflux. Are you taking vitamins? Robin
     > >
     > > --
     > > "Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a
     > > desperate battle." Philo
  > of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a response. TO EMAIL,
  > REPLACE X WITH 4
  >
  >

--
"Be kind, because everyone you meet is fighting a desperate
battle." Philo of Alexandria. Do not email if posting a
response. TO EMAIL, REPLACE X WITH 4

Anne,

Here's one important thought to keep in mind. Though you may
not be able to lose a whole lot of weight with low carbing
when you are confronting the "permanent PMS" you mentioned,
staying on a low carb diet may allow you to maintain your
current weight for years.

I was very frustrated by my inability to lose from 1999 to
2001, but I stayed at the same weight. When I finally decided
to throw in the towel and only worry about keeping my blood
sugar under control, I quickly packed on 20 lbs over one year
and worsened my blood pressure.

In retrospect I decided that maintaining was a whole lot
better than gaining!

--
Jenny

Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb
9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for
Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low
Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? *
Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do
Starch Blockers Work?

"Anne" <hennypennynospam~cox.net> wrote in message
news:hennypennynospam-0411032208270001~192.168.1.102...
  >
     > > This may or may not be the cause why I loose what I assume
     > > is water weight, then there seems to be some kind of
     > > internal adjustment, and the lbs creep back up. It's
     > > disheartening. Have any of you who are in peri-menopause
     > > experiencing similar difficulties?
  >
  > Yes; exactly what you say, Robin.
  >
     > > And no, I'm not eating large amounts of food. Your
     > > comments
appreciated.
  >
  > I only weigh myself once a month so I can't report on much,
  > but I don't feel appreciably thinner in any way (clothes
  > fitting, etc.) than I did after I lost my initial 15 lbs
  > last month.
  >
  > Perimenopause seems to put me in perpetual PMS without ever
  > having the "m" to reduce the bloating. I told my gyn. about
  > this last year and he gave me a diuretic, but I don't like
  > to take them as I know they can cause potassium depletion
  > and I hate the potassium supplements (they upset my
  > stomach). While my weight has stayed roughly the same for
  > the past 2-3 years, in the space of about 4 months last year
  > I gained an entire bra (circumference) and cup size, which I
  > have not been able to reduce -- WTF?!? Not what I expected
  > at age 50, I tell ya. :-(
  >
  > I'm not sure where to turn or whom to ask about this stuff.
  > My (male) doctors -- internal med. guy and my gyn. -- just
  > shrug and concede the menopausal stuff is "tough" to deal
  > with, bloating happens, blah blah. They are good guys but I
  > think they see so much of this, and there isn't an answer,
  > apparently. I do have a sluggish thyroid and take Synthroid,
  > but it doesn't seem to jump-start my metabolism noticeably.
  >
  > Well, all these words just to tell you that I feel your
  > pain, Robin. Perhaps severely restricting salt intake will
  > help us debloat a bit. I have started using my husband's
  > salt substitute (potassium chloride) instead of sodium. I
  > tell you, though... it's always freakin' something.
  > :-( (in a grumpy mood tonight! LOL)
  >
  > - Anne

  > Here's one important thought to keep in mind. ... staying on
  > a low carb
diet may allow you to
  > maintain your current weight for years.

Yes, so true Jenny... I am trying to focus on a healthy WOE
that, if nothing else, may minimize all my other risk factors
even if I don't get svelte!

Thanks, Anne

Anne,

You may end up svelt too. I did,

To do it I had to wait until menopause was complete, add in a
medication that controlled my insulin resistance, and watch
calories very closely.

It worked I'm currently wearing Junior size shorts and tops
and size 31 men's pants, so it can be done.

-- Jenny

Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address!

Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 - HBa1c
5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate
your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for
Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low
Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? *
Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do
Starch Blockers Work?

"Anne" <hennypennynospam~cox.net> wrote in message
news:hennypennynospam-0511030921250001~192.168.1.102...
  >
     > > Here's one important thought to keep in mind. ... staying
     > > on a low carb
  > diet may allow you to
     > > maintain your current weight for years.
  >
  > Yes, so true Jenny... I am trying to focus on a healthy WOE
  > that, if nothing else, may minimize all my other risk
  > factors even if I don't get svelte!
  >
  > Thanks, Anne

  > You may end up svelt too.

From your lips to God's ear! :-)

  > To do it I had to wait until menopause was complete, add in
  > a medication that controlled my insulin resistance, and
  > watch calories very closely.

Nothing quick and easy, I see. That's OK... I'm starting to
accept my challenges instead of just bitching about my
metabolism etc.

  > It worked I'm currently wearing Junior size shorts and tops

Woweee! Congrats to you. I am hopeful when I hear stuff like
this. Thanks, Jenny.

- Anne

In article <hennypennynospam-0411032208270001~192.168.1.102>,
Anne <hennypennynospam~cox.net> writes
  >Perimenopause seems to put me in perpetual PMS without ever
  >having the "m" to reduce the bloating.

Yes, this happens to me, too. My weight fluctuates unevenly by
as much as half a stone, which is why I've stopped posting
stats for the moment. It's really depressing. I was at goal,
but only for about a week.... Now I'm all over the place.

Even when I keep carbs under 20 a day and calories under 1500
(and I always run at least six and sometimes 7 miles every day
at around 5.5 miles an hour) I can still see gain instead of
loss on the scales. I've had my thyroid levels checked at the
crass level the NHS will do it, and there's no 'problem'.

I haven't had a period since May, I'm only 42, and I can't get
anyone to check me for PCOS or anything of that sort.

Sorry - becoming a rant. I don't know any answers to this. I
do sympathise, though, and all I can say is that it sometimes
helps me to reflect on how much I would have gained without
this WOE and without exercise.
--
Jane Lumley

  > Even when I keep carbs under 20 a day and calories under
  > 1500 (and I always run at least six and sometimes 7 miles
  > every day at around 5.5 miles an hour) I can still see gain
  > instead of loss on the scales.

Jane, that's very depressing! Are you very close to goal
weight? That last 10% of weight to lose can be a difficult
place. The body is really resisting giving up any more fat,
I'm afraid... at least that has been my experience in
middle age.

  > I've had my thyroid levels checked at the crass level the
  > NHS will do it, and there's no 'problem'.

I do have a thyroid "issue" (mine is around 5.5 TSH *with*
daily Synthroid) -- just another thing to make me work
harder, I guess!

  > I haven't had a period since May

Ditto. Same as last year. About 2 or 3 a year now.

  > I'm only 42

That's at the young end of the perimenopause spectrum but well
within normal bounds to be starting. I'm 52 and have only had
symptoms for about 3 years but I was a late bloomer, gave
birth for the first time at almost
41.

  > Sorry - becoming a rant.

It's worthy of a rant, Jane! I'm with ya. 8-/

The exercise and good diet are great for your heart and
general health. Eyes on the prize... I've been trying to tweak
just what my "prize" is these days. Clearly it's not gonna be
getting to my weight when I was age 18 or anything wild like
that. Being healthy and as de-bloated as possible is probably
realistic.

Hang in there. You're certainly doing all the right things.

- Anne