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Old Thu, Oct-09-03, 07:39
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 185/176/140 Female 172 cm
BF:
Progress: 20%
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Default 5 week stall on induction!

Hi everyone,
sorry to bother you all, but I really need some advice. I have been following atkins induction strictly for the past 5 weeks (almost) and since the first week there have been no noticeable body changes. No inches lost, no weight lost. I can't understand it. I am not eating any frankenfoods, and have cut back on cheese to about one oz per day, and cut out all aspartame. I'm pretty sure I don't have a yeast infection, although I enjoy eating mushrooms and blue vein cheese sometimes. As for exercise, I do at least 40 minutes walking per day- medium to brisk- and do about 15 minutes of weights every second day (mostly). You can look at my recent meal plans in my journal. I'm getting disheartened. I don't really want to try one of these carb loading thingies... but I need to see some results. Why is this happening to me? What can I do?
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Old Fri, Oct-10-03, 13:54
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Plan: Atkins (Modified)
Stats: 242/216/155 Female 57
BF:shrinking!!
Progress: 30%
Location: Barcelona, Spain
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Ho Halo_slips: I really want to help you out. But I need the following information:

Do you have a fitday account?
How many calories a day are you having?
How much fat are you eating?
How much water do you drink?
How many meals do you have a day?
Do you skip any of them?
are you on ketosis?


After you answer these questions, I will come back, review your answers and help you out, ok?

See you soon!
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Old Fri, Oct-10-03, 19:09
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 185/176/140 Female 172 cm
BF:
Progress: 20%
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Hi Becky! Finally someone has come to my rescue!!! Yes I do have a fitday account... but I'm not sure how to link you to it- so if you could explain it to me I'll add the link. Although I haven't been able to enter my meals on fitday everyday, just most days- but I eat pretty much the same things anyway.
AS for calories I think I vary between 1300-1700 per day. Earlier in the week I was eating fewer calories (about 1200-1300) but someone advised me to up my intake.
A high percentage of my calories come from fat- I think it's about 70%.
I drink tons of water- at least 1.5 litres a day (and suffer the consequence of being on the loo all the time!)
I never skip meals. It's just unthinkable. I can't do it! I have three meals per day, brekkie, lunch and dinner. SOmetimes I might have a midafternoon snack too- like some ham or something.
AS for ketosis- I'm not sure if I'm in it. I haven't got any ketostix. Do you think they're necessary?
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Old Sat, Oct-11-03, 16:01
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Plan: Atkins / Lindberg
Stats: 187/169/143 Female 162 cm
BF:Yes
Progress: 41%
Location: Norway
Default You've got the right person to help you !

Becky is great ! Listen to her advise., - she helped me out of my stall !
Here is how to get Fitday into your signature (as explained by darling Becky of course:
Ok Do the following:

1.- Go to www.fitday.com and sign in

2.- in the page that appears, you will see on your left hand side, the icons in vertical order: Home, activities, reports, food, etc....

3.- click on HOME and go to the bottom of the page

4.- you will see a note that says that you can copy the link that is Your link to your fitday and paste it anywhere you like.

5.- paste the link in your signature page.

6.- After the url "...owner=your nick]" You can put anything you want, like SEE MY STATS...CHECK MY FIT DAY...etc, followed by the "[/url]" in brackets.
make sure that you don't leave any spaces between the first letter and the Closing bracket and the last letter and the "[/url]".
you are set!!!

Hope I explained myself well....if you have any questions, please don hesitate to ask me (Becky)

Good luck !

At the moment I'm acting as Beckys secretary:

Last edited by Nille : Sat, Oct-11-03 at 16:12.
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Old Sat, Oct-11-03, 19:43
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Plan: Atkins (Modified)
Stats: 242/216/155 Female 57
BF:shrinking!!
Progress: 30%
Location: Barcelona, Spain
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AHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Nille, you are Great. Thank you for posting that information!!!

Halo_Slips, as soon as you get to post the link, I will check the info.

One more important thing:

In order for me to see your percentages, you need to do the following:

1.- Sign in you fitday account.
2.- In the main page, in the upper middle part of it, you will see a table that says:

Calories eaten today
source..calories....percentages (sometihing like that)
Protein....
Fat....
Fiber...
Carbs....


Select all this info and Copy it and paste it in your post.
Repeat the above with all the days (from day 1 you started entering the info in Fitday.).

After you enter all these information, I will take a look at it and analize it. I can start just by checking your daily menus once you post the link to fitday, ok?

3.- really suggest you buy some Ketostix - choose another brand, don`t tell the pharmasist that it is for the low carb diet. Tell them that is to check your acetone and for diabetes (the strips cost much more less).

Don`t worry, we will find out what is wrong.

Let`s get started:

1.-I recommend you increase your water intake to 1 gallon a day.
2.-Eat between 1600 and 1800 calories a day.
3.-Lower your CARB intake to 15 grams a day.
4.-Increase your fat intake to 75%.
5.-Eat only about 70 gms of protein a day.

Try this for one week, and lets see what are the results, ok...?

Hope to hear from you ASAP so we can get started!

Last edited by becky160 : Sat, Oct-11-03 at 19:59.
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Old Tue, Oct-14-03, 20:15
halo_slips halo_slips is offline
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 185/176/140 Female 172 cm
BF:
Progress: 20%
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Hey thanks gals! I'm drinking much more water- not sure how much one gallon is but I'm probably drinking about 3 litres. I've lowered my carb intake- and I try to eat the majority of them at lunch time, and my fat intake is around 70% I think. But it will be hard to change my protein. I really need to eat some meat at lunch and dinner... and eggs have protein too, which I have for brekkie. Hmm... I'll see what I can do.

I think my link is working in fitday, but I'll cut and paste the last two days in anyway:
Monday
Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 967
Fat: 64 572 60%
Sat: 20 182 19%
Poly: 9 82 9%
Mono: 25 222 23%
Carbs: 7 20 2%
Fiber: 2 0 0%
Protein: 90 358 38%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

(Wow I din't realise I ate so few calories on Monday- but maybe I've put the wrong portion of chicken...)

Tuesday:
Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 1579
Fat: 121 1087 70%
Sat: 48 430 28%
Poly: 14 128 8%
Mono: 47 425 27%
Carbs: 5 18 1%
Fiber: 1 0 0%
Protein: 112 447 29%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

(I am having some trouble with the sizes of my meat portions. THe pork portion I ate was probably not this big...)

Oh, and I've bought some ketostix. ThoughT I'd wait until Thursday to use them though, just to make sure I was back in ketosis.

Last edited by halo_slips : Tue, Oct-14-03 at 20:21.
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Old Wed, Oct-15-03, 02:51
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Plan: Atkins / Lindberg
Stats: 187/169/143 Female 162 cm
BF:Yes
Progress: 41%
Location: Norway
Default Hi again !

Expect Becky to comment this, - but 5 and 4 net carbs is FAR FROM ENOUGH ! DANDR states 20 or less, BUT not lower than 15. And recommend between 10-12 times your body weight in calories. First day not to good in that regard. But even so, if you don't eat enough carbs and cals you will not get the "metabolic advantage". Your body gets into starvation mode and you will stall. I did exactly the same as you. I've managed to up my carbs but are still struggling abit getting enough calories. I'm working at finding the right balance for me - to still lose ! Some days I make it (15-1800), some times not (around 1300). I know it's not easy. We'll just have to try and try. I've started losing again after I did this.

Don't worry, you will get there ! BECKY WHERE ARE YOU !!!!!!

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Old Wed, Oct-15-03, 08:12
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Plan: Atkins (Modified)
Stats: 242/216/155 Female 57
BF:shrinking!!
Progress: 30%
Location: Barcelona, Spain
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I'm HERE!!!!!!!!!
I'm HERE!!!!!!!!!


Hi Halo_slips,
let's analize this:

Total: 967 very low
Fat: 64 572 60% not enough
Sat: 20 182 19%
Poly: 9 82 9%
Mono: 25 222 23%
Carbs: 7 20 2% try increasing your carb intake to 15 grams
Fiber: 2 0 0% try increasing yur fiber intake to 15-25 grams
Protein: 90 358 38% lower your protein intake to 25 %Alcohol: 0 0 0% Great!!!

Tuesday:
Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 1579 Try increasing your carb intake to 1600 -1800 cals
Fat: 121 1087 70% GREAAAAAT!!!
Sat: 48 430 28%
Poly: 14 128 8%
Mono: 47 425 27%
Carbs: 5 18 1% Try increasing your carb intake to 15 grams
Fiber: 1 0 0% You need more fiber...If not you will be very very constipated!!!
Protein: 112 447 29% GREATTTTT
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

you see!!! You can do it.

My recommendations:

You are eating too little fiber. This will lead you to have constipation problems, I know what I am talking about...At the beginning I could not go to the .....for about 1 week or more!!!!
Increase your veggie intake try having this:
-2 cups of shreded lettuce with jam, cheese, olive oil and vinegar.
-1 or 2 cups of cauliflower or Brocoli. mmm with sour cream and cheese!!!
-There are more recipies in this forum.
-Add Fat to everything you eat. Butter! Olive oil! Mayo! Don't be scared of eating Fat. Remember that eating FAT burns FAT.
-1 medium portion of any meat is about 1 ounce.

Remember to discount the total fiber from your total carbs. This will give you your total NET CARBS.

For eample:

On Tuesday you had 5 grams of carbs - 2 grams of fiber = 3 grams of NET CARBS

-Drink lots and lots and lots of water Start with 1 gallon a day.

Great! You will do very good if you follow my recommendations.

DANDR states that for induction we should have 20 grams of carbs, but he also states that eating less carbs = to faster weight loss.But I really do not recommend this because your carb intake should come from the allowed induction veggies consumption. You need that Fiber girl!!!

I will take a look at your Fitday and food and will come back to you.

See ya!!!

Last edited by becky160 : Wed, Oct-15-03 at 08:15.
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Old Wed, Oct-15-03, 08:41
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Plan: Primal
Stats: 165/149/145 Female 5'7"
BF:
Progress: 80%
Location: Southern Ontario, Canada
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Hi Halo. You've gotten really good advice. Don't worry about the water, though - a gallon is a little excessive at your weight. Water needs are proportional - we're all different sizes.

Good luck!
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Old Wed, Oct-15-03, 18:17
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Plan: Atkins (Modified)
Stats: 242/216/155 Female 57
BF:shrinking!!
Progress: 30%
Location: Barcelona, Spain
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Kristine, You are right about the water intake.
Go to this link to find out how much water you should drink:

http://www.water.com/learn_about_wa...1340_hydcal.asp

Due to ketosis I suggest you drink more water so fat can be drained from your system, and also, so you won't hacve that nasty amonia breath and skin smell.

Last edited by becky160 : Wed, Oct-15-03 at 18:24.
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Old Wed, Oct-15-03, 18:56
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 185/176/140 Female 172 cm
BF:
Progress: 20%
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Hey thanks guys for all the support! It's so wonderful!
I ate more veggies yesterday evening and today. I haven't had any problems going to the... you know what at all! But I'll add more mayo etc in too.
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Old Wed, Oct-15-03, 19:01
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 185/176/140 Female 172 cm
BF:
Progress: 20%
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Wednesday:
Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 1473
Fat: 97 872 61%
Sat: 30 274 19%
Poly: 18 163 11%
Mono: 39 353 25%
Carbs: 18 44 3%
Fiber: 7 0 0%
Protein: 131 522 36%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%
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Old Thu, Oct-16-03, 20:01
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Plan: Atkins (Modified)
Stats: 242/216/155 Female 57
BF:shrinking!!
Progress: 30%
Location: Barcelona, Spain
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Hi there Halo_Slips,


Lets analize your food intake...

Wednesday:
Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 1473 Try increasing your food intake to 1600 cals.
Fat: 97 872 61% increase your fat intake to be between over 100 gms)
Sat: 30 274 19%
Poly: 18 163 11%
Mono: 39 353 25%
Carbs: 18 44 3% *increase your carb intake to 30 gms (check comment)
Fiber: 7 0 0% increase your fiber intake to 15 gms
Protein: 131 522 36% *check my comments below
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

PROTEIN

There is a minimum of protein intake for women. And that is 60 gms/ day. To find out which is your correct intake of protein you have to do the following.

Multiply your Lean Body mass by:

.6 if you are slightly active
.8 if you are moderately active
.9/.10 if you are an athlete


My LBM is 125 lbs X .6 = 75 gms a day

CARBOHYDRATES AND FIBER:

Fitday gives you your total carbohydrate intake for the day. Remember that you need to sustract the fiber:

Your carb intake was 18 gms minus 7 gms of fiber = 11 gms of net carbs.

you see! you could have there about 8 gms more of Carbs.

You are doing very good. Don't get scared with the numbers, please.
Once you get this little tricks you will be able to get your stats right.

Imagine, today I had 39 net grams of CARBS!!!!
Is not always that easy.

Hope this little tips and tricks can help you out.

I will come back to check how you are doing. What do you think if we do this for 1 more week, until you get the hang of it?

Let me know what you think ok.

Take care, and see you tomorrow.
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Old Fri, Oct-17-03, 01:33
halo_slips halo_slips is offline
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 185/176/140 Female 172 cm
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Progress: 20%
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Yup, the one week thing sounds good. It may not look like it from Thursday food, but I think I am getting the hang of it. My dad's girlfriend made me eat these delicious tofu patties- so my carb count is up to 20!
Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 1603
Fat: 123 1104 70%
Sat: 37 332 21%
Poly: 23 211 13%
Mono: 52 468 30%
Carbs: 26 83 5%
Fiber: 5 0 0%
Protein: 97 387 25%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%

I don't really understand what you said about the lean body mass though. How do I know what this is? And I am trying to decrease my protein, from Friday onwards. thanks Becky!
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Old Fri, Oct-17-03, 01:47
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Progress: 20%
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OK Friday not looking so good on the protien stakes! How do you keep yours so low? I usually only have meat twice a day, but I also have eggs for breakfast and it seems that I get up to 100 grams of protein very easily.
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