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Old Sat, Oct-12-02, 04:29
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Plan: SuManKins
Stats: 321/249/221 Female 64 inches
BF:Let's not go there
Progress: 72%
Location: Midwest Flatlands
Default About Adding Stillman's QWL diet

When I first read this thread, I neglected to look at the dates on some of the posts. I see now that the original post on Stillman's was Aug. '01. Being as there isn't a summary on Stillman's, I offer my experiences on it, and also having "consumed" the book, many times over. In Addition, he also wrote, THE DOCTOR'S QUICK INCHES -OFF DIET , in which itself, is not a LC diet, but he recaps in it,the original QWL diet. If IslandGirl is not going to do a summary, would anyone be offended if I wrote one up? I done Stillman's when I was younger, losing 26# in 4 week's time. I will await hearing the reply, before I start my summary.~ thanks~ Oh yeah... reading the summaries on the different plans, is great... to see how different approaches are made on this LC w/o/e. A great idea
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Old Sat, Oct-12-02, 10:54
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Plan: Ketogenic
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would anyone be offended if I wrote one up?


Nope! Not at all.

Use the guideline above. So it doesn't surprise you, the plan comparisons may be edited for spelling, grammar and a little bit of content.

Do you still have the Stillman book?

Karen
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Old Sat, Oct-12-02, 11:42
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Plan: SuManKins
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Talking Still have BOTH books!

Karen, I still have BOTH of the books that I mentioned, and one can definitely tell that they have been in my possesion and well read almost 20+ years. I understand that my summary may be edited, though I try to be grammatically correct in my writing such reports,(my 2nd major is Literature/Creative Writing), and I pride myself on my 4.0 g.p.a. in English courses, though it is not always seen in my posts here Usually my misspellings are more attributed to typos, and I have been called "the Spelling Nazi", due to my correcting others' spelling errors! Anyhow, enough rambling,--I will get to work on the Stillman's summary, as free time and KaeLyn allow, and submit it as soon as I am done with it. Thank you very much for this opportunity.
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Old Sat, Oct-12-02, 15:40
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Plan: Gluten free wholefoods
Stats: 173/145/147 Female 5"4.5 inches
BF:37/?/25
Progress: 108%
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I will write up the review ASAP, probably tomorrow as I have quite a few things to do all together.

Cheers!
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Old Sun, Oct-13-02, 16:41
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Plan: Gluten free wholefoods
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I just spent about 40 mins doing a detailed summary , all nice checking for spelling etc. Naturally, I didn't hit copy so when pressed send my computer decided to disconnect to the internet. Now I have lost everything and it is midnight here!


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Old Tue, Oct-15-02, 10:10
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Plan: Gluten free wholefoods
Stats: 173/145/147 Female 5"4.5 inches
BF:37/?/25
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1. Plan's name: The Insulin Resistance Diet

2. Date: 2001

3. Basic Philosophy/Strategy:

According to the authors, it is not carbohydrates that cause weight gain, but lack of protein and an excess of carbohydrates consumed in one sitting. Therefore, the authors recommend that carbs and protein be consumed in the ratio of 15g:7g. The maximum amount of carbohydrate allowed per meal or snack is 30g, and this must be balanced with at least 14g of protein. This concept is referred to as "linking and balancing" in that all carbs are linked with protein and balanced in this specific ratio.

The authors endorse the low fat hypothesis, so the plan dictates that low fat protein such as poultry, fish and low fat dairy products be used mainly as protein sources. Red meat can only be consumed 2 or 3 times a week. Only 3 eggs can consumed per week, but I would wager this will be changed to 7 eggs in the next edition due to recent study results. The plan counts beans and milk as proteins.

All vegetables with the exception of corn and potatoes can be eaten freely on the diet. Avocados and olives must be limited however due to their high fat content. Apples, cherries, peaches, plums and grapefruit do not need to be linked and balanced with protein, but are confined to no more than a half cup serving every 2 to 3 hours.

No more than 32g of carbs may be consumed within 2 hours. If one consumes more than this then the excess is stored as fat. This concept is known as the 2 hour fat window. Protein, however can be eaten at any time

Exercise is strongly endorsed

Critical of ketogenic diets, citing patients who have become ill (!!)

4. By the numbers:

Fat: 25% Protein:30% Carbohydrate:45%

Fats and Oils: Keep fats to a minimum, include some good fats

High-Carbohydrate Foods :Eat no more than 2 servings at any one time. Eat at least 2 fruits servings daily

High-Protein Foods: Eat at least 8 servings a day. Include 2 to 5 servings of dairy foods

Vegetables: Consume Freely, but eat at least 3 servings a day

5. Method: see no. 3

6. Typical menu:

Bfast:egg on toast, yogurt with cereal, milk with cereal

Lunch: Sandwhich with meat and low fat cheese, grilled chicken salad , beef soup with a potato

Dinner: Lean meat with a potato and vegetables, lentil pilaf with low fat cheese, pasta with meatballs and a green salad

7. Emphasis on: Fat and Protein. Can be difficult to find low fat protein sources if you do not wish to include milk and beans as true protein sources.

8. Unique Features: Resembles a diabetic diet. No foods are banned which makes this plan very livable. Suitable for vegatarians. Treats are reccomended up to 2 or 3 times a week. This may lead ppl down the slippery slope if they "treat" themselves to foods they are actually addicted to such as sugar.

May not work for those who are very sensitive to carbohydrates. Proscribes to the low fat theory, so is more likely to be accepted by the mainstram medical establishment.


9. About the authors

Cheryle R. Hart. M.D. is the founder of the Wellness Workshop, a medical weight-loss clinic in Washington. She was the associate clinical professor of medicine at the Mayo Clinic and the University of Washington Medical School. She specialises in bariatrics. Her clinic address the four main aspects of what she considers to be successful weight management: medical, nutritional, fitness education and emotional support.

Mary kay Grossman, R.D.

She is the nutritional adviser for the Wellness Workshop. Discovered that she too suffered from Insulin Resistance when she began to formulate menus and plans for her patients. This plan enabled her to finally lose weight seven years after the birth of her child.


Overall, this is a good plan, but I disagree with the authors somewhat (madeup?) scaremongering attitude towards ketegonic dieting.

Sorry about the spelling mistakes etc. I think the first attempt was better.
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Old Fri, Nov-01-02, 16:14
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Plan: Gluten free wholefoods
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Oops! Just realised the number section is wrong! It should say:

Fat: 25% Protein:30% Carbohydrate:45%
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Old Fri, Nov-01-02, 19:23
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Plan: Ketogenic
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Thanks Scarlet!

Wa'il will put it in the right place when he's got a moment.

Karen
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Old Tue, Jul-22-03, 02:14
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 254/215/150 Female 64"
BF:C198/T126/H53/L120
Progress: 38%
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Id liek to see all these plans on a spreadsheet, so one could easily compare and constrast. Has this already been built?
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Old Thu, Jul-24-03, 08:05
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 238/185/150 Female 5 ft.5in.
BF:
Progress: 60%
Location: Düsseldorf Germany
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Hello from Germany
I just wanted to give everyone a big
Your information is a big help. I can compare without having to buy a book(this is not so easy even with amazon) . It is all so very professional and informative.
Once agin Thanks!!

You all have done a great job!!

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I often dream of the future as that is were I will spend the rest of my life.


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Old Tue, Nov-04-03, 14:00
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Plan: SouthBeach
Stats: 225/220/185 Male 72"
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Progress: 13%
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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I just joined this forum and did not see my diet listed...?

I have choosen SouthBeach, based on the book, it is very similar to Adkins but less strict. I thought it would be an easier one for me to stick to. I would be happy to write a short summary if you wanted to add it.
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Old Tue, Nov-04-03, 14:36
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Plan: DANDR '92
Stats: 236/184/140 Female 165 cm
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I just joined this forum and did not see my diet listed...?

I have choosen SouthBeach, based on the book, it is very similar to Adkins but less strict. I thought it would be an easier one for me to stick to. I would be happy to write a short summary if you wanted to add it.

hello,

South Beach is not a low-carb diet. The author states this clearly on page 3, the first sentence of Chapter One. Some members have reviewed the book and have posted their comments, here in our General Low-Carb forum.


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Old Tue, Nov-04-03, 15:46
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Plan: SouthBeach
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Well Doreen I appreciate you pointing that out to me now. Being new to my diet I was searching for support online and this seems like it is NOT the place for me now.

I don't want any of those negative comments detering me from my weight loss goals. I have been on Atkins and BFL in the past, I chose SouthBeach because it is slightly less strict then those.

Thanks
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Old Tue, Nov-04-03, 16:29
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hello again,

You're certainly welcome to explore our forums to read more about low-carb high-fat diets . If you're looking for specific support about South Beach, there is a message board at prevention.com devoted to SBD that you may find helpful.

Good luck to you on your chosen program!


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Old Sat, Dec-27-03, 20:04
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Plan: Protein Power
Stats: 216/166/150 Female 60 inches
BF:45%/33.5%/28%
Progress: 76%
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South Beach is not a low-carb diet. The author states this clearly on page 3, the first sentence of Chapter One.Doreen


Doreen, while Dr. Agatston (the author) may insist in his book that his diet plan isn't low carb--yeah, he insists that in interviews on TV, too--the numbers for SBD menus and the little magazines put out by Agatston's publisher, Rodale, tell a different story. I worked out the nutrient ranges on a sample two week set of menus for a friend doing SBD, and he was shocked to see that the phase one menus he gave me averaged 35-45 ECC or net carbs per day.

This month's "Prevention Guide to Weight Loss" spotlights SBD (again), and this is how Rodale explains it's latest rising star in the diet world:
"*Phase I: You'll eat three meals and three snacks ... made up of a lean protein and vegetable, and snacks ... typically a part-skim mozzarella cheese stick, cottage cheese or pistachio nuts. No fruit or starches ... are allowed in Phase I.
(foods to avoid include all starches, all dairy (keeps out all the hidden carbs!), all fruits, all fatty meats, all veggies except the cruciferous and the greens families.)
"*Phase II: After the first 14 days, you'll gradually reintroduce healthy carbs...You'll stay on this phase until you lose all the weight you want.
(foods to avoid in this phase include refined starches and breads, rice, beets, carrots, corn, potatoes, bananas, fruit juices and canned fruit, pineapple, raisins, watermelon, honey, ice cream and jam).
"*Phase III: Once you've reached your goal weight, this is how you'll be eating for the rest of your life. ... Anytime you start to overindulge or regain some weight, you can switch back to Phase I for a week or two."

Phase I--ah, yes, that would be the part where you're not allowed to eat *any* carbs.

Seriously, Agatston (or Rodale, it's hard to tell which) has positioned SBD from a marketing spot where it can be attractive to people who want to try low carb without feeling like they're also forsaking the low fat eating habits they've learned over the years. But bottom line, if you look past the marketing ploy and actually count the days up in some tracking software, SBD is a low carb diet in Phase I, and a low carb diet in Phase II.

Unfortunately, Agatston also tries to restrict fats, and advocates using processed (low fat) foods over less processed (and lower carb) foods. There are also some disturbing inaccuracies about fats in SBD (the misinformation about coconut oil being bad for heart health is especially glaring.) And the recommendation that "if you gain weight, just go back to Phase I for a week or two"--well, I do wonder if the good doctor is familiar with the concepts of yo-yo dieting, insulin resistance and "The Golden Shot Syndrome." It may not be the low carb plan I'd choose, but if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...well, you know the rest.

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