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Old Thu, Jun-14-18, 18:14
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Exclamation Major "Mediterranean study retracted

Bad science? Never woulda thunk it

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa1800389
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Everyone makes mistakes, but when scientists do, the remedy goes far beyond saying you're sorry.

On Wednesday, the New England Journal of Medicine retracted and republished a landmark study which said the Mediterranean diet cuts risk of heart disease nearly in half, and issued an unprecedented five other corrections after an obscure report last year scrutinized thousands of articles in eight journals over more than a decade and questioned some methods.
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Old Thu, Jun-14-18, 21:52
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Why does it seem like all the worst scientists go into nutrition?
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Old Fri, Jun-15-18, 10:45
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It seems being well-off is the key to being healthy (and having self-control around marshmallows, if you're a kid).
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Old Fri, Jun-15-18, 11:24
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here's the link to CBS's article ... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-a-...-was-retracted/
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Old Fri, Jun-15-18, 11:44
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I am not surprised at all.
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Old Sun, Jun-17-18, 20:38
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The purpose of peer review is to catch these annomolies----reviewed by oustanding researchers in theeeeeir field BEFORE publication.

At one time in my life I used to sit in on brown bag lunches listening to grad students present their work so far..... and hear questions and omments from world reknown researchers. An eye opening experience. Difficult to develop a great study.
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"In one particularly troubling case, a field researcher decided to assign an entire village to a single group, because some residents were complaining that their neighbors were getting free olive oil."

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Old Wed, Jun-20-18, 07:33
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An entire village with the same diet might be poor randomization, but it's probably not a bad intervention. Jay Wortman did the same thing with a group of Native Americans. "It takes a village" is a thing, it was much easier to adhere to a Paleo diet back when everybody everywhere ate Paleo.

Problem with the Mediterranean diet is it's mostly the old food Pyramid/MyPlate with a sprinkling of parmesan cheese. There's also the Nordic diet, same difference.
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I've always been suspicious of the term "Mediterranean Diet." It can be defined many different ways. I'm certain I currently eat a Mediterranean Diet, as I eat healthy protein, fats, and carbs via veggies. If I have eggplant or tomatoes with some olive oil and some lamb as my protein, I'm eating a Mediterranean diet. I can substitute any protein choice. If I have salad greens with Parmesan or Mozzerella cheese with sardines on a fire-grilled pizza crust, I'm eating Mediterranean, but no longer low carb. If I have fagioli beans on pasta with cheese, I'm eating Mediterranean, but it's definitely no longer low carb, no wheat. You can define many dishes as Mediterranean, but it doesn't mean they are healthy for the individual consuming the food. To be used as a term in science is a clear red flag that there is no rigor to the scientific endeavor, unless they've strictly defined their version of Mediterranean.
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Old Wed, Jun-20-18, 09:29
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I watched one video recently, where the speaker pointed out that "Mediterranean Diet." could have been the "French diet" if the proponent of the MD had studied the French diet first......

Could it be that the "Mediterranean Diet." became popular because it is really just a version of SAD and the populace could make the tiny jump to the "Mediterranean Diet.

The older generation of my family pushed South Beach on me as they touted it as safer than Atkins.....too many carbs for me to drop weight......

While we need GOOD studies, what good is any diet if the user is not successful on it. What works for one may not work for another.

Also I keep feeling like the researchers are still trying to prove that the world is round. We know this already...let's move on ....
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