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Old Tue, Aug-10-04, 09:16
Jor Jor is offline
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Default "Net" carbs-sugar alcohol, help, please!!

Hi All - I'm new to the board, and really respect the opinions and help I see ya'll give each other. I'm off the Weight Watchers bandwagon forever, finally. Everytime I lose weight with WW, it comes back quickly and it brings friends... So, it's LC for me from now on. Have been on Iduction for one week (lost 6 lbs. - yea!!). Anyway, I need to know about this "net carbs" thing on bars, foods, etc. Some of you seem to take it literally at the number on the package, and others count more carbs than package says (something about the sugar alcohol?). Please, let me know if I should count the 2 net carbs for a Pria bar, or whatever. How in the world do I sort this out for everyday use? Thanks so much! Jor
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Old Tue, Aug-10-04, 09:47
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I must first say that I do not believe that eating convenience bars is a good idea at all, especially on induction. Try to eat as many whole foods as possible. I avoid sugar alcohols like the plague.

That said, there are no FDA regulations regarding sugar alcohols and carb counts. Therefore, the manufacturers can put on the label that sugar alcohols have 0 net carbs, but that's simply NOT TRUE!!! Sugar alcohols effect different people to different extremes. Some people count all of the carbs from SA, some count 75% and some count 50%. It's definately a YMMV kinda thing. I HIGHLY recommend not eating SA at first starting Atkins. Stick to whole foods, and then later you can work them into your diet if you feel it's necessary.

When you do eat them, count at least 50% carbs from SA. That seems to be the norm.
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Old Tue, Aug-10-04, 12:23
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The other element to consider for any carb count is, How much are you really going to eat? Some of the serving sizes are ridiculous; others may be ok for some people but not in my kitchen. I look at the carbs, multiply by how many I'm really likely to eat (the whole thing?!?) and then decide if it's safe to buy.
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Old Tue, Aug-10-04, 14:06
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I do what carver does if I do decide to have them, but I really, really try to stay away from the s.a.'s to begin with - they are not nice to me!!! I think I can attribute most stalls that I've had to sugar alcohols. I also agree that they should be left for OWL or maintenance and not for Induction. OTOH, if it's going to prevent a cheat and it's the lesser-of-the-evils, have some but just enough to get you thru and count at least 50% of the TOTAL carbs, not the big number on the front.... I've mainly used the Ross bars for when I'm going to a movie or an outing where I know I'll be tempted to eat something off plan.

If you're at home make something from the 'treat' area of the recipe section - the chocolate peanut butter cups are EXCELLENT and very quick and easy to make, or you could whip some heavy whipping cream, add some Splenda or da vinci syrup and 2 tsp of unsweetened cocoa -- Induction-friendly, low carb, and no sugar alcohols. When it comes to bars, stick to Atkins (no s.a.'s) if you REALLY have to have one (emergency stash kind of thing)...

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Old Tue, Aug-10-04, 15:43
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http://www.lowcarb.ca/tips/tips006.html


Sweetener Information
By Doreen

Sugar by Any Other Name
Fructose
Artificial Sweeteners
Stevia
Maltitiol, Sorbitol, and Other Sugar Alcohols
Sugar by Any Other Name

In chemistry, the ending "ose" indicates sugar; so beware of ---ose ingredients on food labels . Talbe sugar, the white granulated type, is known as sucrose. Here is a list some of other names of sugars you might encounter:

sucrose dextrose
fructose lactose
glucose maltose

"ose" sugars are pure carb, thus 1 gram of sugar = 1 gram of carbohydrate = 4 calories.

Look for these other commonly used sugar-carbohydrate ingredients :

white and brown sugar succanat
turbinado demerrara
molasses corn syrup
maple syrup honey
barley syrup malt syrup
rice syrup cane juice and syrup
fruit juice concentrate**

**Beware of foods that boast no-added sugar, or sucrose-free. Read the label carefully; many foods such as jams and fruit drinks are sweetened with concentrated grape or apple juice, which are very sweet, high-fructose syrups, and yield the same carb and calorie count as sucrose (table sugar).

***Note that "sucralose" (Splenda) ends in ---ose, because it is made from sucrose sugar, but it is calorie and carb-free. Actually, you might want to think of it as ending in "lose" instead!!

Fructose

Fructose is sometimes promoted as a suitable sweetener for diabetics and low carbers because it does not require insulin to be used by the cells; thus there is no rise in insulin level. However, it is still a carbohydrate and yields 4 calories per gram, just like any other sugar. Fructose has an added disadvantage - because it doesn't require insulin, it is rapidly absorbed by the liver and converted to glycerol - ultimately leading to increased triglycerides and cholesterol levels. There are also studies showing that fructose also contributes to insulin-resistance. While fructose occus naturally in fruits and vegetables, it is present in relatively small amounts, and the fiber, pectin and minerals in these foods balance the fructose content. The fructose that is added to commercially processed food is a highly refined, purified sugar created in a lab from corn and other syrups. It is everywhere - fruit drinks, soft drinks and iced teas, baby foods (yes!), jams and jellies, candies, desserts and baked goods.

Artificial Sweeteners

As a group, artificial sweeteners are classed as "non-nutritive". Thus, they provide a sweet sensation to the tastebuds, without raising blood sugar levels or insulin, and are useful for weight-loss because they are calorie- and carbohydrate-free.

The most common artificial sweetener in use is aspartame (Equal, Nutrasweet). Aspartame is calorie- and carb-free, however it is far from being an ideal sweetener. First, it is not chemically stable, meaning that when exposed to heat and air, it breaks down into its chemical constituents - phenylalanine and aspartic acid. This makes it unsuitable for cooking, or for storage over more than a couple of days. Also, many people have experienced unpleasant symptoms from consuming aspartame, from mild headaches and stomach upset to migraines and depression. The manufacturers continue to assert that the product is safe, and indeed most people can enjoy it without any problem whatsoever. Moderation is the key.

In Canada, food and beverage manufacturers are using a combination approach in their products - using aspartame with another sweetener, acesulfame-potassium (Ace-K, Sunette). This sweetener is not absorbed and yields zero carbs and calories. It has a bitter after-taste, but when combined with another sweetener, this is eliminated. By combining sweeteners, an improved sweet taste is achieved, and reduced amounts of each chemical is required.

Sucralose (Splenda) is spun from regular sucrose sugar in such away that the body doesn't recognise it, so it is not absorbed. Thus it contributes no calories or carbohydrates in its pure form. It remains stable in heat, so is ideal for cooking and baking. Splenda is available for home use as a bulk sweetener, which measures spoon for spoon exactly the same as sugar. It is also available in a more concentrated form in convenient packets. However, these Splenda products also contain maltodextrin, which gives it the necessary bulk. Thus, it does contribute a small amount of calories and carbohydrate. Either form of Splenda, whether it's the bulk form in the box, or the little packets, will yield 0.5 carb grams per amount equivalent to 1 tsp (5 ml) of sucrose sugar. Just remember that the powder in the little packets is much more concentrated, so a smaller volume is needed to give the desired sweetness.

More and more commercial products made with Splenda are becoming available - especially beverages, soft drinks and iced teas, desserts, condiments and candies. Keep an eye on your grocer's shelves. Also visit our Shopping Page for some popular products available in Canada.

Also available in Canada is cyclamate (SugarTwin, Sucaryl), a zero-calorie/carb sweetener. There is still some controsversy that this chemical may cause bladder cancer in rats; it has never occured in humans in over 30 years of study. It is still banned in the US. Cyclamate is not used in commercial products, and is only available as a "table top" sweetener. It comes in bulk form, measured spoon for spoon like sugar, or as concentrated packets, tablets and liquid, There is also a brown sugar flavour, which some enjoy. Cyclamate is stable in heat, so is fine to use in cooking and baking.

Stevia

This is a non-caloric, zero-carb natural sweetener, derived from a South American plant stevia rebaudiana, and has been in wide use in Asia for some years now. It's becoming more readily available in North America; look for it in health food and natural food stores. So far, it appears to be well-tolerated, with no reports of negative effects. It is available as a liquid extract - either concentrated or dilute, a white crystalline powder made from the extract or simply the powdered green herb leaf. It provides an intense sweet taste, which has the potential to be bitter. Some people find it has a slight anise/licorice flavour which may or may not be objectionable. Also, some studies suggest that it may possibly stimulate the release of insulin; in Protein Power Lifeplan, the Eades' recommend using stevia with caution. It is stable in heat, so is fine to use in cooking.

Maltitol, Sorbitol and Other Sugar Alcohols

Sugar alcohols - also called polyols - are a class of carbohydrate that are neither sugars nor alcohols. This group includes maltitol, sorbitol, mannitol, xylitol, erythritol, lactitol, and hydrolysed starch hydrolysates (HSH). These popular sugar substitutes provide the bulk and sweetness of sugar and corn syrup, but are incompletely absorbed in the intestine. Thus they provide fewer calories and carbs than sugar, and result in a much slower, and smaller rise in blood sugar and insulin. They are generally recognised as safe for diabetics to consume for this reason, and products sweetened with these products may legally be labelled "sugar-free" in both Canada and the US. Sugar alcohols do not promote oral bacteria, and xylitol in fact inhibits bacterial growth, thus do not cause tooth decay.

There is a great deal of confusion about whether or not these products provide carbohydrates, and how they should be counted toward a carbohydrate-restricted diet. Some authorities say they provide zero carbs because they are not absorbed. Others, such as Diabetic Associations across North America, are taking a more cautious stand. Currently, food labelling regulations in Canada and US do not require (yet) including maltitol et al in the Total Carbohydrate data of the nutrients list. However, the amount must be listed in the ingredients panel.

So how do you count them in your carb budget for the day? Some say 0 carbs, so just go by the label and only count the carbs from any sugar or starch in the food. Others, such as the Canadian Diabetes Association, recommend counting the full amount as carbohydrate grams, especially for patients using carb-counting for insulin dosage and insulin pumps. Still others take a median approach, and suggest counting each gram of maltitol as 0.5 carb grams.

All authorities recommend using caution and definitely moderation is key. Because they are not completely absorbed in the bowel, they have a nasty reputation of holding onto water, and promoting diarrhea, gas and bloating. This is politely termed the "laxative effect". Sorbitol and mannitol are the worst offenders, maltitol and lactitol less so. The label should indicate the serving size. This is the amount considered safe to eat before the laxative effect takes over. So beware that overeating these foods can have serious effects. Especially for children, who of course will experience the effect from an even smaller amount.

Many low carbers enjoy an occasional chocolate bar or candy sweetened with one of the sugar alcohols, and find there is no effect on their weight loss or ketosis. Some do find it will put them in a stall. Others find they definitely experience a blood sugar "rush" from eating even a small amount. For a few, the laxative effect is pronounced, and even a small amount will trigger unpleasant symptoms. This is definitely a case of YMMV (your mileage may vary). For some low carbers, planning for one of these treats now and then helps to stave off cravings for serious carb binges. Indeed, even at full count, a 40 gram chocolate bar sweetened with maltitol has an average of 12 carb grams, as opposed to regular plain chocolate with 25 carbs in a similar sized bar. Just beware that they can also trigger the sweet cravings you hope to avoid.

For more information about sugar and sugar substitutes, please check the following resources:

the Canadian Diabetes Association, "Sweeteners"

the Calorie Control Council, "Low Calorie Sweeteners"

Happy Low Carbing!
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Old Wed, Aug-11-04, 05:51
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There is only one sugar alcohol that most people can get away with eating on a daily basis, and its erethyretol(sp) its found in the Hershey 1 carb bars, and the ZCarb bars. It doesnt stall me in the least.
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Old Wed, Aug-11-04, 07:03
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I'd love to eat the choc candy and other SF products, but most contain maltitol. I don't do well with maltitol and my family and coworkers would agree that I should never ever eat anything with maltitol again.
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Old Wed, Aug-11-04, 10:59
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Check out this site, it explains a lot. http://www.eridex.com/html/nutrition.html
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Old Wed, Aug-11-04, 12:26
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I wonder about that myself. How can LC ice cream only have 2 "net carbs". I always subscribe to the theory if it seems too good to be true it probably is. I try to keep them out of my house completely.
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Old Wed, Aug-11-04, 12:30
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In some folks (those diagnosed as insulin resistant) artifiical sweetners can trigger insulin production and thus, should be treated as one would a sugar carb.
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Old Thu, Aug-12-04, 10:41
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Yep, we use sweet-n-low more often than anything else. Since diabetes runs in my family and I have IR it is better than any other artificial sweetner. We do not use a lot. Basically, one cup of coffee in the AM with 2 SNLs. Tried Splenda in my coffee, did not like the taste in my coffee but do like it in other items. Soda and flavored waters taste better with Splenda.
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Old Sat, Aug-14-04, 14:31
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Default Sugar Alchohols are not simple to deal with...

Good information from everyone - thanks especially to Doreen - you always have excellent research to report.

I have found that I can handle 1/2 of an Atkins Advantage Bar mid-day ( Peanut Butter is the only one that tastes good to me), if I'm in need of an emergency food fix away from home, but that's it for me.

I find that my sweet tooth is active in the evening right after supper, and I don't want to have to go to the trouble of whipping cream for me, after I've usually had to cook 2 different meals in my house. ( Others initially liked the protein-centered meals but that has paled so I'm on my own). My sister got me on to a different brand of LC bar, which she eats as dessert or has a snack at work, without adverse results, but I'm sent careening into carbo-crave if I eat them.

What quick prepared items has anyone found that are not full of sugar alcohols, and which could be had every day? I never had much of a sweet tooth before, but really search out a little something now.
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Old Sat, Aug-14-04, 15:25
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I love the low carb ice cream. It has not caused a stall for me, or knocked me out of ketosis. I also love the low carb chocolate bars, but agree that both should be used in moderation. Not every day, and not on induction. On the plus side, there is no doubt that they help me stick to the low carb life style. Of course you do have to watch the portion controll, just like anything else. With low carb eating (unlike low cal eating) I have not found the saying "if it seem to good to be true it probably is" to be accurate.
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Here is another good web site: http://www.lowcarbliving.com/uncar.html

Remember that Splenda is not compleatly carb free:
Splenda Bulk Carb Counts:

6 carbs in 1/4 cup
12 carbs in 1/2 cup
18 carbs in 3/4 cup
24 carbs in 1 cup

Splenda Packets should be counted as 1 carb each
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Quick sweet recipe (my modification of one posted elsewhere on this board)

Chocolate PB Treats

1 square (1 oz) unsweetened Baker's chocolate nuked in microwave 45 seconds or until just soft
Add 85g butter (about 5 tbsp) and nuke again 45 seconds to melt the butter
Add 45g (about 3 tbsp) peanut butter, stir up well, nuke another 30-60 seconds just to warm things up and get the PB melted

Canadians: add 1/2 tsp Sugar twin liquid and 1/2 tsp liquid sucralose (from www.low-carbing.com, Zero Carb Syrup Concentrate). Alternatively, add 40ml (2 tbsp and 2 tsp) Splenda powder and 40 ml Sugar twin.

'Merkins and others: add 1/3 cup Splenda.

Add 2 tbsp heavy cream (whipping cream) and mix well. If you use mini cupcake tins and liners this will make 12 cups. Put 'em in the freezer and then eat 'em.

Carb count:
Unsweetened chocolate: 3.7g
Butter: 0g
PB: 1.8 per tbsp x 3 = 5.4
Sucralose liquid, Sugar Twin liquid: 0
Heavy cream: 0.9 per tbsp x2 = 1.8


If you use the powdered Splenda, it's 24 carbs per cup. Sugar Twin is 12. Canadian version with powdered sweeteners would then be 6 carbs more, American version 8.

So grand totals:

Canadian version with liquid sweeteners: 11 carbs, 1 carb per treat
Canadian version with powdered sweeteners: 17 carbs, 1.4 per treat
American version with powdered Splenda: 19 carbs. 1.6 per treat
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