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i too have gone through some $%() with my bf and lies and cheating. i have come to the realization that he is mentally ill..i don't know for sure maybe bipolar or manic depressive or something close to this. he will not discuss it, he denies it but i see it. you can see it in his actions, behaviors, illogical thinking and thought processes. i came into this relationship because he looked me up after having been together years ago 25+. i thouht he was the man i remembered from back then. but now i see he is nothing like i thought he was. he is not much of nothing. has nothing. erradic behavior and OMG the lies are unreal!!!. you could not write such fantasies if you were paid. i do not trust him even if he says he is going to the store. cause in the past he has taken vacations and lied and said some excuse or going to visit relatives (you would not believe all the stories) to be with someone else, he has run into my relatives and friends and said they all lied on him--he was not with another woman. that these women are jealous and they want to date him so they lie to me about seeing him out!! not ingenious but i guess he's slow. you do not know you should have kept running when they knocked on your door or called you until you have fallen in love with them.. as in this case. i wish i had listened to the voices/clues and run and long time ago. now 4 yrs. of wasted life later, i am longer angry with myself -yes, still angry with him. but i know he may or may not be able to help himself because of bipolar. and also his mother is ment. ill i have gathered and his father ran around on his mother and had a son out of wedlock with another woman. his mother never drove or worked and just was stuck. i also now know that he is not good enough for me. and the funny thing is he told me that early in the relationship when he backed off from me. but i just thought is was insecurity that's all. boy, was i wrong!! but not to write a short novel. i'm just venting. and to each of you who have been hurt by their dh or bf i know that it gets easier. i now focus on me losing weight, my job, my house, and my family. he is not a part of my world and rightfully so--he's does not deserve to me included!!
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Lowcarbr.. so sorry to see you join the ranks here.. ..now is the time to concentrate on you..if you have read this thread you will see I have suggested the book "Boundaries"...this will give you guidelines to set appropriate boundaries in your life...with these boundaries in place you will have the tools to make your life happier and more fulfilling by what you have written in your post you are setting important priorities ...yourself, your family and your future my heart goes out to you
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Just checking in Colleen and wondering how you are doing?...I am in the process of trying to secure a Divorce ..now it becomes all about money...so sad that after 31 years it comes down to this but I am determined to do what I can to secure some kind of financial future for myself, my son and his family...hope all is well with you and life is good ...
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Found this article to be very accurate...thought I would post in case there may be some of us still here who could benefit from it...

When a Man Leaves a Woman

It may seem that most divorces are similar in natures. Actually, there are different types of divorces, each of them with its own unique psychological characteristics and emotional intensity.

We have the Mutual Agreement pattern of divorce whereby both mates are unhappy and conclude that they will be happier being apart.

This couple often settles their affairs amicably and quickly, and may stay friends.

The Unilateral Pattern of divorce entails one person deciding to leave to the dismay of the other. There are greater emotional implications in this type of split, where the person who chooses to leave has had time to consider, reflect, weigh the options and emotionally detach while the left mate is caught unprepared, treated unfairly, surprised and abandoned. Requests for more time, counseling or opportunity to reform are denied. The process of this divorce is harder and more emotional due to the imbalance of power.

The emotional intensity is even greater in a Compounded Divorce pattern that entails the involvement of a third party. Here the left partner does not only feel abandoned; he or she feels replaced. The pain here is about having lost a primary position in the mate’s life to another individual. There are added painful emotions about immorality, betrayal and failure.

Within each one of these divorce patterns there are additional subsets. One of them is the one associated with the third party pattern.

I will use an example of a man who leaves his wife while the other woman serves as a catalyst for the divorce. This pattern can also occur for a woman who gets involved with another man and leaves her husband.

A man meets a woman in the course of his life, he spends time with the new adoring female who makes him feel very valued and desired. At first, he only lavishes in the attention and feels invigorated. With time, he begins to compare his feelings about the new admirer to those he has for his wife. If he decides to break-up his family and start a new life, he is likely to go through the following psychological stages.

1. DEMONIZING THE MATE: The man is a decent person who is aware that his conduct is frowned upon both morally and socially. He begins to feel great guilt- yet, he continues his relationship with the other woman. In order to reconcile the conflict between his view of himself as a moral being and his unacceptable conduct, he resorts to demonizing his wife as a justification for his behavior. He ascribes to his wife many negative and unforgivable traits and behaviors. She may be seen as an inept person, wife and mother or even evil.

2. REWRITING HISTORY: Not only is the partner found to be irrevocably faulted, she has been so for the whole duration of the marriage. The husband re-creates a view of historical suffering and pain he has endured. He may say, "I have been unhappy in this marriage for 20 years" or, "She has made every day of our married life a miserable day." It is clear that it is a re-created story because of the exaggerated nature of the comment, its intensity and the lack of balance. The husband assumes no personal responsibility for his role in the so-called "long-term suffering." He seeks approval and support of others for having been a victim, which in his mind fully justifies his abandoning the family.

3. PUNISHING THE MATE: The man retells his newly developed view of his suffering often enough to believe that his wife deserves to be punished. She is the "offender" and his "persecutor" and thus needs to be dealt with harshly. The punishment is dished out through financial withholding, or worse, through fighting over the children. He believes that his wife is not entitled to receive any future benefits from him, sometimes not even those allowed by law. "She received enough advantages by having been married to me, she is entitled to nothing else." In many cases, he may attempt to deprive his wife equal, fair or appropriate access to the children. Needless to say, this divorce will be very bitter, lengthy, costly and detrimental to the children.

4. SEEKING APPROVAL: Despite all his vengeance, the man still wants the affirmation and approval of family, friends and curiously enough even his wife. He wants her to accept that she was primarily responsible for the break-up of the family and realize that he had no other choice but to act as he did. Sadly, he may impart this view upon the children who are traumatized enough by the divorce. The deep-seated guilt the man experiences about having left his family for another woman continues to plague him. For many, the strain within the original family leaves permanent emotional scars.

5. RESTORING BALANCE: The man expects the first wife to accept his new life and even be happy for him. He wants his wife to take the full blame for his need to escape the intolerable marriage. Therefore, she should also accept the "new reality" and make peace with his new girlfriend or wife. Since the first wife does not share any of his reconstructed views of their history, she is often unwilling to embrace his new life. With time, however, some couples learn to act civilly toward each other for the sake of their children. Few former mates accept the expanded family and may even become friendly again.

The five emotional stages within the Compounded style (which involves a third party) were detailed. The partner who gets involved with another person is beleaguered by guilt.

To justify his or her socially and morally unacceptable conduct she/he may develop a five-tiered process. She/he first demonizes the spouse, rewrites the history of their union in negative terms and depicts him/herself as a victim and the mate as a persecutor.

This partner then moves to punishing the spouse for the alleged unforgivable acts. She/he then seeks approval from others and even his partner for being "forced" to exit the marriage. The last phase of restoring balance, whereby a normalized or a civil relationship is created, may or may not be achieved in every case.

If you have been a participant in this divorce pattern, or know someone who did, you are fully aware of the emotional turmoil involved.

Whether the leaving spouse is a man or a woman, the left mate experiences a hellish nightmare. I’ll depict the emotional stages of a left wife, which are similar to those of an abandoned husband. These reactions are often reported to me in the form of sequential questions.

The demonizing process produces feelings of shock and dismay. "How could my partner betray me in the worse possible way? Not only did he have an affair that violated the marriage vows, but he compounded the betrayal by accusing me of causing it."

"Not only did he blame me for the failure of the marriage, but he also resorted to defaming my character. How could he believe that I am such an evil being after having loved me for years?"

"How could he be so callous and insensitive toward the children by depicting their mother in the worse possible light to justify his own immoral conduct?""

The rewriting history is a major violation of the mate’s reality. "How could he have been so miserable for 20 years without my awareness? Or worse, could all the joy I recall be a figment of my imagination?"

"If things were truly that offensive to him, why did he not complain, and not request change or seek help?"

Being punished for creating a partner’s misery is a mind-boggling state.

"He started an affair, lied, deceived, violated trust and his commitment, started fights to escape from home and ultimately decided to leave the family, and I need to be punished? How unjust is this? Not only do I lose my whole life structure, but I am also seen as a greedy enemy? Please, somebody help me understand how my whole reality became so skewed?"

"To make things even more bewildering, he expects me to admit my wrongdoings, take full responsibility for the marriage failure and give him empathy for ‘his suffering?’ "

"I am also left with the task of preserving his dignity in the children’ eyes while helping them with their anger, confusion and pain. In doing so, I am further accused of turning the children against him. What?"

"If all this isn’t enough emotional torture, he now demands that I accept his other woman and rejoice in his well-deserved happiness. It is my task to help the children embrace her and welcome her into the fold."

"Since when did I select her entry into our lives? Does she deserve kudos for participating in the break-up of our marriage? How did I get assigned the job of welcoming a woman who stole my husband?"

Just reading this scenario is sufficiently painful, imagine living it? Those who have gone through this trauma describe it as "crazy-making." Such severe and emphatic distortion of their reality causes left mates to doubt their sanity. Recovery from this profound trauma is slow.

What can a left partner do under these circumstances?


First realize that all these five phases serve the leaving partner — and have little to do with you.

Understand that this process is your partner’s tragic way of dealing with guilt. His or her perceptions are the reconstructed ones.

Marriages are not unions between "angels" and "devils." Your partner’s lack of any culpability is a clear sign of misdirected adaptation.

Talk with people who can affirm your view of the marriage history, interactions and your worthy personality.

Reassure yourself that you are sane and that the reality you are fed is created for your partner’s self- exoneration.

Surround yourself with people who love and affirm you.

Remember that every parent earns his or her separate relationship with the children. Your youngsters will ultimately process these events appropriately.

This nightmare will end! With time, the healing will come, you will laugh and love again.and the sun will soon shine brightly upon you.

A man or woman, who leaves a partner due to an affair, may experience the five emotional and behavioral stages of the compounded divorce. Demonizing the spouse to justify abandoning the family, rewriting history in negative terms to create a theme of long-term oppression, punishing the mate for being an "abuser," seeking approval for self-vindication and perhaps some time later, restoring a cordial relationship.
The previous columns discussed these phases in detail and the trauma the mate who is left is faced to cope with. This segment will address the party who developed the outside involvement.

Divorce is a result of lost hope in relationships. Sometimes, however, it is not necessarily about a failed marriage as it is about a poor response to ungratified needs by one partner.

Most people are enamored by attention. It is normal to bask in the warmth of affirming people. It is also normal to enjoy being amorously sought by a third party. Many people flirt but do not lose perspective of their love and commitment to their families.

People, who allow outside relationships to divert their attention from the family, must look inside themselves for the reasons for their behavior. For some, the affair was an awakening that their needs were unmet by their spouses. For others, it serves as a catalyst for leaving a stale marriage.

For some, it is an attempt to improve a temporary feeling of low self-esteem. Others use another relationship to reawaken the partner to greater responsiveness. Another group of people may be reacting to the unhappiness they feel about themselves due to a temporary midlife crisis.

There are many other reasons for being vulnerable to attention outside the home, and it is very important to understand the nature of this pull. Once understood, healthy measures could be taken to rectify the problem.

Though not an easy admission, the partner who is tempted elsewhere may need to present it to his or her mate as a personal and/or a couple’s crisis. It is advisable for both partners to explore the unhappiness one mate is experiencing in an attempt to reach a solution. What straying people describe is that they felt so badly about themselves and their marriage prior to meeting the third party, that their affair was inevitable.

Needless to say, when anyone is unhappy, it is incumbent upon that individual to analyze the source of the pain and handle it. Mentioning to the spouse some vague or even specific dissatisfaction is NOT a sufficient impetus for change. Change requires exploration, re-decisions and action.

When couples refrain from problem solving together to enhance the well being of both, they put their relationship at risk. Partners who unsuccessfully tried to rehabilitate their marriage may agree to separate for the personal happiness of one or both mates. If this is done jointly, the chances of moving to the five-stage pattern of the compounded divorce are less likely.

When the tempted partner withholds the information in order to spare himself or herself and the mate’s agony, he or she may only embark upon a much more devastating course.

Seeking solutions to guilt, the straying spouse resorts to blaming the other. To justify actions that one knows are morally and socially unsupported, he or she uses exaggeration of hurt and its duration. To gain social support, one resorts to soliciting empathy for having been a victim. Punishment is used to repay oneself for all the perceived injustices.

To regain esteem of others and the partner, the mate is faulted as not accommodating enough. All these protective mechanism are avoidable. This pattern of divorce is akin to a tragic drama in which one misconception by one person starts a sequence of devastating consequences.

Self-understanding, inclusion of the mate, honest exploration of the real causes of one’s unhappiness and seeking help, are all ways of preventing this agonizing process. If you are a spouse who got involved with a third party,


Use this behavior as a warning sign that you are in a personal crisis and in need of help.

Your unhappiness does not lie solely with your mate’s being or behavior. If you think it does, talk to your partner or seek professional help.

Be aware that an unhappy marriage is often composed of two dissatisfied people. Have you considered your partner’s side?

If you decide to work on the marriage, the other relationship must be terminated. One can not be fully emotionally invested in two intimate relationships at the same time.

If you choose divorce, be regretful, humble, contrite, kind and empathic with your family for the pain you have caused them.

Realize that your children are the innocent victims here. Show them love and consideration by being respectful of their other parent. Give them time to adjust.

It is your responsibility to make every effort to accommodate your family. Help them live as well as possible to reduce the impact of their many losses.
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Old Thu, Jun-02-05, 21:21
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Hey, my ex sure demonized me! I think someone interviewed my ex to write that.

Kids figure things out for themselves, though, just like that article said. One of my kids is living with me now -- he absolutely couldn't stand the ex anymore. So I have one back now, and it's only a matter of time until the other one follows.
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Hey, my ex sure demonized me! I think someone interviewed my ex to write that.

Kids figure things out for themselves, though, just like that article said. One of my kids is living with me now -- he absolutely couldn't stand the ex anymore. So I have one back now, and it's only a matter of time until the other one follows.



Great to hear from you Yep we have both lived this post and my hope was that you had a chance to read it...it certainly answers all the questions doesn't it .. as someone posted on this thread awhile back it will come back to bite them in the ass eventually ..so pleased to hear you have one child back home with you...you just keep on taking the high road girl and all will be fine...take care and much love B
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Bonnie-- thanks for posting
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When a Man Leaves a Woman
It is an excellent article and explains a lot.
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Ladies - This is a wonderful thread. It really is inspirational to read and had me in tears when I had finished it as you have both come so far. Although I am happily married, I have in the past had a relationship that ended badly (due to abuse and cheating) at the time I thought my world had ended and that was only after a year so I cannot begin to imagine how hard it must have been for you after several years and children. To see you both triumph over these men is fantastic and if I ever come across any woman who thinks that life is over following a break up, I will point them in the direction of this thread.

Continue to post here lovely ladies as I am waiting with anticipation of the posts that tell us all how wonderful your lives are now that you are truly 'independant women'

Go girls!!!

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Ladies - This is a wonderful thread.
Continue to post here lovely ladies as I am waiting with anticipation of the posts that tell us all how wonderful your lives are now that you are truly 'independant women'

Go girls!!!

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I just wanted to share a new joy in my life. .. I decided to get a puppy...he is adorable and my granddaughters adore him...he is bringing so much joy and laughter to our lives...just what we all needed at this time...

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I just wanted to share a new joy in my life. .. I decided to get a puppy...he is adorable and my granddaughters adore him...he is bringing so much joy and laughter to our lives...just what we all needed at this time...



Bonnie, congratulations on your puppy, he is absolutely adorable, love those ears!! There is nothing better than the unconditional love and acceptance of a puppy to sooth the soul. I see he is a hound. I have 2 rat terriers one of which has some hound in her family tree some where and she just loves to howl. It is so therapeutic. Everyday we howl together. Sometimes for heck of it, sometimes in sorrow and many many times in joy. There is just something so primal and releasing to be able to just howl out the pain or welcome the joy this way. I hope you have many wonderful years with your pup!

I wrote about my "girls" in my journal but this part applies to this topic so I though I would just paste it here.

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I must admit it was quite liberating to howl like that and could only imagine what it must be like for dogs or wolves in packs to howl with each other in the wild. So now we have our nightly ritual of singing. When everyone in the "pack" is home we all gather together and howl. Sometimes, when my depression gets the better of me and I am in my room laying down, Zoe will come to me. Climb on my chest, lay down with her head between her paws and just stare at me face to face as if to say, I feel your pain. I know your pain. I have lived it, but if you would only howl with me you will feel better. I hug her tight and we throw our heads back and howl for all we are worth. We howl for all the sorrows in the world. We howl for all the frustrations in the world. We howl for all the loss and pain in the world and eventually, before we are done, we are howling for all the joy and love in the world. My only regret is that I don't have a tail that I can wag like she does. Oh to be so free to express our joy and sorrows as our 4 legged kindred are!!
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Bonnie, congratulations on your puppy, he is absolutely adorable, love those ears!! There is nothing better than the unconditional love and acceptance of a puppy to sooth the soul. I see he is a hound. I have 2 rat terriers one of which has some hound in her family tree some where and she just loves to howl. It is so therapeutic. Everyday we howl together. Sometimes for heck of it, sometimes in sorrow and many many times in joy. There is just something so primal and releasing to be able to just howl out the pain or welcome the joy this way. I hope you have many wonderful years with your pup!

I wrote about my "girls" in my journal but this part applies to this topic so I though I would just paste it here.


Hi Rain...I hear ya ..this little guy is so comical and just brings joy to my life every day... and yes unconditional love...something we all need... ...he is a true blue hound and he has his little antics...I was vacumning the other day and found little stashes of puppy pellets tucked in various corners of the house...guess he was saving for a snack later .. he hasn't come head on with a squirrel yet but I am bracing for that day... ..then I will know about those howls you are talking about... .. can't descibe what joy he brings in to my life... should have done this a year ago
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I did do this a year ago! Last September I got a Sheltie from the Humane Society. Now he's all grown up and is a pretty good pet. The one thing my dog does that I have never heard from a dog before -- he burps. He's so loud that I could really call it belching. It's pretty funny.

It is great having a dog.
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Bonnie,

Thanks for the PM. I'm sorry to hear what you've been through the last couple of years or so and can only imagine what it has been like.

I've read through the thread and both you and Coleen seem to have come out of this as much stronger women. I'm sure though you'd ave preferred to get that strengt some other way.

My SIL got divorce papers though the post one morning! As far as she was concerned everything was fine between her and her husband. he was working away and when she went to find him to speak to him about it he was nowhere to be found. She did find out that he had lost his job (something he had failed to tell her). The following day she got a call from him going off it because he had heard she had been trying to find him! He couldn't understand why she was upset!

To cut a long story short, they patched things up for a while for the sake of their 2 kids but then some time afterwards, she had to call the police and have him arrested as he came in drunk on night, hit her and had his hands around their 10 yr old daughter's throat trying to throttle her! They are now divorced and he is still trying to interfere in her life. Derek had a hug row on the phone with him not long ago and ended up saying that he would take legal action if he didn't leave her and the kids alone. He cannot accept that the break-up was anything to do with him and he wonders why his daughters don't want to see him!

SIL is much happier now she is on her own, even though things are tough money-wise. she says that she has "discovered herself" again and wonders how she ever allowed her ex to undermine her confidence.

I wish you all the luck in the world, you deserve it.

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BTW, your puppy is adorable.
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Default Collen when i read your post I cried.

Collen I am going through THE EXACT SAME THING!
when I was 19 I met someone and moved out to Colorado we fell in love got married. Which was a big thing for me since i am from NJ and so is everyone i ever knew or loved! 2 years into the marriage, this July infact I decided to come home and visit my mom. Mind you this was a blissful sweet married man who cried and bought me flowers the last time we had an argument, he never even seemed to look at other women. Well in July we were planning on declareing Bankruptcy the court date being in August. So anyway I visit my mom for 3 weeks..I ride a 3 DAY BUSRIDE home. For him to tell me in the first hour I arrive..its over..on July the fourth he slept with a co worker at a job I HELPED HIM GET !!!!! *grits teeth* Nevermind that this mand was Impotent when i met him from mental abuse from his first wife when i met him. It took months of gentle coaching to get him right back to normal and beyond!!anyway..and then he tells me to get out..all my things were packed..i have to say i yelled i screamed i couldnt understand.. and then he told me he wanted a divorce he wouldnt even tell me her name...I had almost no money I didnt even know how to pump my own gas which i know sounds silly .I then had to get in the car and drive bymeslf all the way back to NJ..
Its so fresh still..i cant even put it into words.In utter shock dissapointment devastated.im still at the random bursts of crying its only really been a couple weeks. I justwanted to tell you i understand and id love to speak with you for support.
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