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Wow, thanks for bringing over Zule's initial page with updated info. This is a handy reference and saves having to scour the entire thread for info that is fundamental. Thanks, too, for the great work in reducing drag in the forum. I think it's showing up (even for me with an archaic computer and dial-up) in speed and faster reading. Anyway, thanks - Zule and all who moderate!

I'm still taking 200,000 IU Vit.D3 and 20,000 IU Vit.A - and all of a sudden my eyes are able to read the microscopic print on my bottles of supplements. Yes, I've been having to use a glass to bring the type up from a blurry line to real words - and today it seems I can read the ingredients on my supplement bottles.

Is that wonderful or what - for a 63yr-old with presbyopia and myopia and astigmatism and just plain tired old eyes? I'll say!

I too have increased my D3 dosage. And I have seen some changes, but I still find the whole thing confusing, as I continue to read various authors trying to figure out where I want my final dosage to end up. And what other supplements are needed to support the increased D.

Here I am confused, yet I have persuaded my husband, sister, and mother to add D to their regimes. Okay, I haven't persuaded Mom, I just replaced her vitamin pill with a D combo. I don't know if it is helping her, but it is helping me. She isn't so darn nasty to me all the time now.

As it's the start of a new thread, I thought it would be a good idea to post links to some great Vitamin D info here for future reference:



Vitamin D Facts – Zuleikaa’s revised Vitamin D Facts handout

Vitamins D and A - Natural Miracles?

Vitamin D Council

Health Research Forum - includes downloadable pdf reports

SUNARC - Sunlight, Nutrition And Health Research Center


Media articles:

The sunshine superstar: study reveals Vitamin D as 'wonder vitamin'

The Antibiotic Vitamin

Vitamin D: The sunshine cure

The ABCs of D
Almost everyone needs more of the sunshine vitamin

Bottled sunshine: The value of vitamin D

Vitamin D in the Spotlight
This critical nutrient builds bones, helps fight infection and may protect against some cancers. Do we get enough?

Calcium, Vit D Reduce stress fractures

Vitamin D deficiency during pregnancy

Vitamin D may prevent falls in the elderly

Vitamin D needed to heal skin wound

Links to various Vitamin D press articles, courtesy of the Health Research Forum)


Books:

The UV Advantage: The Medical Breakthrough that Shows How to Harness the Power of the Sun for Your Health – Dr Michael Holick


The Healing Sun: Sunlight and Health in the 21st Century – Richard Hobday

Demi, thanks for the great resource index/guide. WhatEVER! It's a great bit of research and a fine place to send anyone who is inclined to be dubious about the benefits of Vit.D or sunlight.

What a superb thread this is. Thank you, Zule, for initiating it and for your continued efforts to bring us all up to speed here!

Wow, another Vitamin D thread..that's amazing.

I have one question. I've developed a small knot-like bump at the base on the palm-side of one of my fingers, and I'm not sure what it's from. It appeared after I started taking vitamin D and drinking bone broths (about a month ago), and has since not gone away. It could be a calcium deposit perhaps, as I developed it from writing notes excessively and the stress of bone rubbing on bone could have caused the bone to form a knot from irritation. It hurts when I press on it or try to move it. It doesn't move, so I think it's attached to the bone. There's no history of osteoarthritis in my family, so I don't think it's arthritis, and I don't have any joint problems anywhere else in my body. I once had a bump like it on my wrist, but that went away within a few months (luckily before the surgeon was going to have to cut it out). I think I'll just wait it out and bare with it. I do hope it goes away though.

Does anyone know about localized bone mineral deposits like this, or has had one?

Sounds like a ganglion, Capo. If it is not terribly painful the treatment is to wait and watch. They can take a long time to go away, but aren't serious. NSAIDs can be used if needed. Be aware if you try the bang it hard with a blunt object approach it may or may not work. And if it does it could still come back.

Hmm, what is NSAIDS? I think my mom said she had something like it before, and I think she called it a ganglion. That sounds like the cluster of nervous tissue connected to the posterior root of the spinal cord..but I suppose there must be two types of ganglion. I suppose I'll just wait and see if it goes away. It's not too much of a problem unless I grasp something and it hits the bump; then its painful..but I'll try to avoid touching it and see if it goes away.

A ganglion is a cyst that usually forms around the tendons of the hand.

NSAIDs are pain killers like tylenol or aspirin. Non Steroidal Anti Inflammatory Drug.

If it is painful a doctor can remove it. I don't suppose it would be a bad idea to have it confirmed as to what it is. But... I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Hmm, if I went into a doctor, he/she'd want to cut it off, which I'm not going to do unless it gets visibly larger and more painful. I'll just ignore it and hope it goes away. It doesn't hurt unless I touch it or hit it on something.

Thanks, Demi, for bringing all of that over.

It would sure be nice if the sun would come out here so I could get some natural D. I'm out of my 5000 IU supplements.

From today's 100% Health e-news email newsletter from Patrick Holford:

Hmm, liver is high in vitamin A. I think if one were to get high doses of vitamin A in conjunction with vitamin D of course, the deficiencies of both would be filled. Perhaps dry skin isn't caused by a vitamin D deficiency but more by a vitamin A and D deficiency. This is testimonial info, but I noticed my the skin on my hands, forearms and even a little on my back of my arms is more moist/healthy looking today after I consumed 1/2 a teaspoon of high vitamin CLO last night. I'm guessing eating liver is a good way to get vitamin A into my bloodstream as well.

I also think vitamin A really affects our vision. I feel like I can see with more clarity (even though I have 20/20 vision) after I get vitamin A in my diet.

After eating liver, my skin looks darker (I have olive skin) and more tan even if I haven't gotten any sun that day. I'm just wary to not get too much of it without the vitamin D as well as minerals. My teeth are looking better after two weeks of taking vitamin D/Mg/Ca supplements and eating beef liver twice or three times a week. Actually, I think my jaw is looking a bit more wider as well..as I've been losing weight I can't tell if it's the weight-loss or the vitamins that are making my jawbone look more pronounced. I also have more energy, though this could very well be attributed to the intermittent fasting I'm doing and the dry skin certainly isn't hurt by the increased humidity in the air now that it's rained a few times in the last few weeks. But I still think the supplements have a big impact on my bone, skin, and overall health.

Capo, your jaw and bones are not going to become noticeably larger or grow in such a small period of time - it just is not possible. I keep hearing you repeatedly say that you notice differences like "overnight" and that you think it was from taking a dose of CLO or D the previous day. This is rediculous sounding! The idea of your bones, jaw, teeth realigning, etc., in an incredibly short period of time, or over a few days, or even overnight as you've stated before is just not going to happen. The supplements are powerful, but you're totally blowing it out of proportion. Things like that would take months, if not years to noticeably change, and they would be minor changes at that, if at all! The changes you're noticing are to very much more likely to be immediately influenced things like tissue.

If your jaw is looking wider, it's most likely b/c of your fasting and you're loosing weight/tissue in those areas. What is this deal about fasting when you don't even need to loose weight? I'm very skeptical that this is the best approach of obtaining optimal nourishment, especially when you're not overweight.

Jason, I'm intermittent fasting because I feel better doing it. I honestly believe it accelerates the body's healing because it isn't spending all its energy digesting the food that people are told to eat (usually 3 or more meals a day), and I'm sure to eat nutrient dense foods for my one meal a day so that I'm not deficient. IFing is most likely how paleolithic people ate, by hunting during the day and eating a feast at night. It works for me, and nothing else (even eating 3 high fat, low carb, moderate protein meals a day) has really worked for me..I actually gained weight from eating three high fat, moderate protein, less than 60g carbs a day..and mostly in the form of muscle, which was wrong-looking for my petite frame.

IMHO, this is the best thing for me. And I did need to lose a little weight, which I am losing the healthy way.

Besides my eating patterns, I really do think my bones can change in that little amount of time, especially with doing IFing, which speeds up bodily repairs/functions because it isn't spending energy digesting food but is instead working on the body. It's a little sketchy, I realize and all of it is only my testimonial, so I can't say it works for everyone this way. But I know it was a bone change, or at least a connective tissue change in the alveoli of my teeth sockets aligning my teeth. From day to day I believe my face is changing, and it kind of upsets me to be honest, because it's such a personal change..to change the appearance of ones' face. I can only put my faith in my WOE and supplementing and hope my face eventually stops changing. It's kind of driving me crazy TBH..I should stop looking in the mirror for a couple of months and just see the finished look.

By no means is my face changing dramatically, but it is changing, millimeter by millimeter. Every little change adds up. And you're probably right that my fasting could be making me change appearance, which I most certainly think it is, since I've lost 2 lbs. per week for 2 weeks now. My stats were never 115lbs. I was really at 122 lbs and am now at 118, so the weight loss is appreciated and does fit my petite frame better regardless of what people on a forum believe. I am not really concerned at all with weight loss, but more the appearance and development of my face and my health. Please don't say I have an eating disorder! People who can make such claims without ever even seeing me and who expect me to listen to them are out of their wits, and because I have been told I am crazy for IFing by several older women on this site, I decided to take my stats down and concentrate on the logical thinking people on the site, the people not concerned with weight-loss so much as health and healing the body, and the people who don't talk down to me just because I'm younger. I certainly am all over the place with figuring out what works for me, but that's who I am. I feel I've finally found my notch with IFing and supplementing that I'm not going to worry about my health too much or change my lifestyle to accommodate to my health, other than try to maximize what I'm already striving for.

Anyway, just thought I'd clear that up and anyone who cares about me IFing and losing weight or my physical changes won't concern themselves over me. I'm fine! I feel better than ever, so don't worry about me.