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Old Sat, Mar-15-14, 02:20
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15 March, 2014

Can a vegan ever be sexy?

As the animal-rights group Peta launches a search for Britain’s most desirable vegan, Hannah Betts – vegetarian for some 30 years – debunks the myths around mushy eating


The “we’re so pro animal rights, we’re anti-pets” organisation Peta (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) has launched a competition to find the UK’s “sexiest vegan”. A spokesman, Yvonne Taylor, stated friskily: “Compassion to others is not only a sign of strength, but also a big turn-on.”

The group’s press release adds: “People go vegan for a variety of reasons, including the fact that vegans tend to be fitter and trimmer than meat-eaters, which makes them more attractive.”

Let us pass over whether such an organisation can ever be considered the best judge of sex appeal and go straight to the more burning issue: is the notion of a “sexy vegan” itself an oxymoron?

Vegans can be many things: rigorous, dogged, disciplined, obsessive-compulsive label scrutinisers, more than a little joyless and fundamentally hungry; but sexy: no.

Society may have got beyond the stereotype of the vegan as a flaky-skinned, flatulent tree-hugger to the point where it can imagine a flaky-skinned, flatulent tree-hugger wearing Stella McCartney. However, vegans are still not necessarily the individuals one would most want to make eyes at.

Indeed, if there is one way of shedding one’s sex appeal – and fast – it would appear to be “going plant” . Bill Clinton was notoriously hot stuff as a chipmunk-cheeked burger-guzzler. Rendered a quinoa cultist for “health” reasons, he looks shrivelled, skeletal. Veganism has aged him 20 zombieish years in a way that a cigar habit and two terms at the helm of the Free World did not. So much for veganism’s antioxidant credentials.

Beyoncé , who wrote the song Bootylicious as “a celebration of curves and a celebration of women’s bodies”, has been pictured looking emaciated after a 22-day vegan cleanse, “thrilled” with her new, rather odd-looking US size 2 (UK 6) frame. She and husband Jay-Z are believed to have lost 100lbs between them on a largely mush-based regime, 70lbs of which issued from her own already-toned physique. Not only is she unrecognisably gaunt, her hair and skin lack lustre, and her onstage posture at the Grammy’s was less “Independent Woman”, more Malnourished Waif.

Natalie Portman may be incredibly pulchritudinous, but she doesn’t do sexy. Russell Brand thinks he’s sexy, but that’s not the same thing. While the less said about Heather Mills the better. In a list that encompasses Ellen DeGeneres, Morrissey, Sinéad O’Connor, Moby, Joaquin Phoenix, Emeli Sandé , Tobey Maguire, Leona Lewis, Jessica Chastain and Alicia Silverstone, the phrase “hot, raw sex” does not immediately spring to mind.

Virtuous vegan Anne Hathaway summed up the situation when she lamented her distinct lack of “sex appeal”. “For a long time… I was seen as this bizarre-world, good-girl cartoon that I in no way identified with – very vanilla, very sweet, very accessible and not interesting. I had no grit, no sex appeal.” Well, perhaps if she eschewed the mung beans. Meanwhile, Jared Leto, star of Dallas Buyers Club, would appear to be turning into a root vegetable, following Brad Pitt’s ruinous “vegan equals fungally hirsute” principle.

Let me lay my own plant-pulping cards on the table here. I have not eaten meat for 30 years, apart from once – for journalistic purposes – and then I literally came out in hives. Moreover, I became a vegetarian for precisely the macroeconomic/ecological reasons that Peta and its furry friends so admire.

Namely, as sustainability campaigners the Worldwatch Institute explain it: “Meat consumption is an inefficient use of grain – the grain is used more efficiently when consumed directly by humans. Continued growth in meat output is dependent on feeding grain to animals, creating competition for grain between affluent meat-eaters and the world’s poor.”

My adolescent thinking ran: “If I can ditch meat as a First World indulgence impacting upon Third World hunger, then ditch meat I shall.”

I am thus strongly pro-vegetable, routinely knocking back 12 or more portions a day. I have my finger on the pulse pulse, and am a nut nut. The Western world undoubtedly eats too much meat, on too greedy and flagrant a basis. Plants are delicious and we should all consume more of them. However, a diet confined to plants is an asceticism too far: denying the body, as it denies the life – social and otherwise; facilitating animal existence by curtailing human.

For vegans give up not only the obvious meat, fish, eggs and dairy. They are obliged to renounce: sugar (coloured with bone char), honey (the toil of bees – read my colleague Stevie Parle on how to cook with it), red foods (cochineal, made from insects), sweets, mousses, margarines, peanuts and crisps (gelatin, made from animal waste), soy cheeses (the milk protein casein), many breads (butter, whey), beer and wine (tropical fish bladders), even orange juice (often omega-3 enhanced) and the medicinal Bloody Mary (Worcestershire sauce contains anchovies).

The life one subscribes to under such circumstances is not only obsessional, it is profoundly boring – for oneself and others. Strictly speaking, vegans must also boycott leather, suede, fur, wool and silk; something the blingtastic Beyoncé and her beau appear yet to have taken on board. Yet, according to Ruth Semple of the Vegan Society, numbers of people contacting the website have “shot through the roof” – especially since last year’s horsemeat scandal. Semple gives a “cautious” estimate of 150,000 people who are now vegan, but believes the numbers are escalating. “In 2009 we’d get 30 to 40 people asking our advice or taking the Vegan pledge; it’s now 500 a month,” she says.

Given the neurotic cast of mind required, Peta’s phrase about the attractiveness of “compassion to others” becomes rather problematic. Viz: turning up to a dinner party at which one’s host has contrived to provide meatless fare and rejecting it on the grounds that it contains a thimbleful of chicken stock.

Unlike Peta, most of us do not have a problem with the notion of animal needs being subservient to human ones. And, while many avoid the foie gras and veal crate extremes, a jar of honey, or a round of goat’s cheese, do not seem especially savage. Moreover, if you are using veganism as a weight-loss tool, then at least call a spade a spade and refer to what you are doing as a “diet”, rather than implying some sort of holier-and-more-Hollywood-than-thou mechanism.

As for health, while vegetables are undoubtedly a 1066 and All That “good thing”, my own periods of even non-fish consuming vegetarianism have also coincided with anaemia, vitamin B and D deficiency, inability to recover from illness, exhaustion and hair loss. “Trimmer” vegans may be, but the ability to bruise while resting my chin on my hand and the sight of hairballs around my flat did not immediately imply “fitter”.

Nutritional advice is nothing if not contradictory: witness the last couple of weeks in which culture’s ongoing carbophobia was challenged by the notion that first protein (especially animal protein), and then sugar are the Devil’s work.

Nevertheless, in the main, the diets generally judged most healthy – traditional Mediterranean or Japanese eating habits, for example – combine plants with some animal ingredients.

Po-faced extremes of behaviour are fundamentally unsexy, whether in politics, religion, hair-shirtedness – or the combination of all three in veganism. Evangelists are not renowned for being all fun and games, zealots seldom the coolest people in the room. The omnivore Michael Pollan’s dictum from 2009’s Food Rules – “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants” allows sufficient room for human error. While the food lover Mark Bittman’s 2013 bestseller VB6: Eat Vegan Before 6:00 strikes a similar balance in terms of health, planetary preservation, sanity and the ability to socialise with beings other than one’s cats.

Felines, of course, being notoriously enthusiastic flesh eaters.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodandd...er-be-sexy.html


In contrast:

How Paleo Makes You Look Younger, Sexier and More Vibrant
http://chriskresser.com/how-paleo-m...nd-more-vibrant

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Old Thu, May-01-14, 20:57
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Anytime someone's beliefs are 'immune to evidence' that's not sexy! Kinda scary, sometimes.
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Old Sun, May-04-14, 13:24
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All the farting & burping is definitely not sexy.

And I was a vegan for a while
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Thank you for reminding me why I loathe Made Up Fake Name and Jay Z.
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Gosh, 15 years ago I started trying to loose weight and I remember reasurching at the library everything I could find on weight loss. I remember reading a book that said to slowly cut back on the amount of meat we ate. It gave a recipe for basicly meatles goulash. It was ok, but man I was hungry 2 hours later and we both went and ate more. Not a good dieting strategy I've tried it a couple times and each time I was hungry after eating so just don't bother to go that rought any more.

I don't understand why anyone would want to be hungry all the time. As for sexy? I don't know many veggans, I may but they don't admit to it. I was out of town a few weeks back and stopped at a gas station for some nuts and a meat stick for breakfast. 4 guys were trying to help me find the right kind of nuts and the guy working in the gas station was kinda cute. His buddies were telling me that he was a weight lifter and a vegan. I glanced at him and then at the guy I was speaking to and asked "does a vegan look any different than a meat eater?" They all gave me dum looks and started laughing including the cute cashier. I paid for my stuff and left, only to get lost and returned to try to find out where I could buy a new GPS charger. He was along this time and was incredibly helpful and I asked him if he was vegan, he told me that he was not vegan and that he does like meat but tries to only eat it a couple times a week. He took off his light weight jacket and OMG his arms and chest were. . . . . nice Obviousely not a die hard vegan but he was pretty close and looked dam good! Shame I'm taken and I lived 5 hours away from him, no its a good thing I'm taken and live 5 hours from him maybe I should have asked him if he's hungry alot ?

He did tell me the protien bars were a good option for breakfast
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We're all different, and maybe some people out there don't feel so great eating meat. As for me, I feel horrible NOT eating meat, and I feel my best when eating it. No meat really upsets my digestive system that I can determine, but boy oh boy, do I ever have trouble with a LOT of the vegetables and beans, etc, to say nothing of most all grains and dairy. I guess meat kind of keeps me alive. I go nuts when I read all these things about not eating meat and eating tons of veggies. I simply could not do that, my stomach hurts just thinking about it.
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Have to agree...I love my life without all of the burping, farting, coughing, being hungry, sleepy, etc., that comes with eating mostly veggies and fruits.
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Well SOMEBODY finds them sexy, as many vegans date, are married, etc.

I personally have not been attracted to "austere" eaters any more than I've been attracted to "austere" anything. I like, love and am very, very sexually attracted to gusto, not holding oneself in and on an absolutely politically correct course, right down to the dinner plate, 24/7.

An "I'm so glad I'm punishing myself"-skinny man weeping softly over his plate in memory of the life of the rabbit being served to the diner next to us is just NOT going to get my sap flowing, you all dig me on this? I am sorry, Terrance-Please-Do-Not-Call-You-Terry, but there will be no panty raid tonight.

I get compassion, I do. And world consciousness? Girlfriend/boyfriend, please. I was a child in the 70s. I wept guilt out of every available pore over the crying-Native-American-Who-Wasn't-Actually-a-Native-American "don't litter!" commercial. And I screamed "No nukes!" with the best of 'em. I wept regularly for peace even with those darned insane power-hungry bloodthirsty Russians (having no idea what I was talking about nor how narrow all of that was) and did my penance of guilt over every footstep I took that might have killed an innocent part of the ecosystem as I stomped all around the playground.

But if I'm required to whisper a prayer in Arawak every time we pass the butcher counter at Ralph's, dude we are just not going to make it.

But does anybody find vegans sexy? Yes, somebody.

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This thread is old, but I want to comment and say that it's surprising to see low-carbers attacking veganism . I mean, we've all struggled against the mainstream, attempted to dispel low-carb myths and spoken to folks who are ignorant or even rude to us. So why would a low-carber turn around and do the EXACT same thing? I give this thread

Of course vegans can be sexy!
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Sexy is in the eye of the beholder. Can they be sexy to somebody? Sure. To me? Oh heck no. We all have our preferences and are drawn to people with certain personality traits. Weak and illogical aren't my thing.
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Ignorance is very unsexy.
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Namely, as sustainability campaigners the Worldwatch Institute explain it: “Meat consumption is an inefficient use of grain – the grain is used more efficiently when consumed directly by humans. Continued growth in meat output is dependent on feeding grain to animals, creating competition for grain between affluent meat-eaters and the world’s poor.”
Well, first, we need to stop feeding grain to cattle. They are grass eaters, and grain makes them sick. (As it can make PEOPLE sick, come to think of it. But that's another discussion.)

Put those cows out on grass, and leave them there feeling happy and getting fat. But wait. There's a vegan developer putting a subdivision on that farm. Oops!

By the way, Heifer International and many other excellent organizations are increasing the health and prosperity of families and communities worldwide by providing them with animals from bees to rabbits to ducks to water buffaloes--and many other domestic animals specific to the traditional culture. The animals provide milk, meat, labor, fertilizer--honey and pollination in the case of bees--and profit in the form of marketable goods (eg. Wool) and offspring. How good is that!?

I believe in the ethical treatment of ALL animals, but human animals first.
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I doubt there's enough land out there to raise enough beef to feed us all if they were all grass fed.
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