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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 07:49
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In her book she mentions that if your decended of English, Welsh, Irish,Scottish well all in that area, you will be gulten intolerance. Why?
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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 09:56
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First, it's gluten, not gulten.

I suspect (though don't know for sure) that the northern cultures relied more heavily for a longer period of time on a grain-based diet and thus developed higher levels of intolerance.

Or maybe I'm all wet! Let's wait for someone who really knows the correct answer. This appears to be a slow-moving forum, though. We might be waiting for a while.
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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 12:23
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I'd have to re-read her book again, but I don't really remember that. I might have been more you are more likely? I wouldn't worry about if you don't show signs of it. I'm not, so that may be why I didn't pay attention to it.
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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 12:57
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Hi Lanny,
It's my understanding that northern Europeans are most likely to have gluten "issues" because they're the ones eating a diet heavy in gluten-rich foods the longest. For example, in Asia, rice is the grain of choice. In the Americas, it was corn/maize/quinoa. In Africa, it's teff and other grains. None of these have gluten and therefore few of the native populations have celiac responses...
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Celiac disease is the most common genetic disease in Europe. In Italy about 1 in 250 people and in Ireland about 1 in 300 people have celiac disease. It is rarely diagnosed in African, Chinese, and Japanese people.

According to this article: http://www.enabling.org/ia/celiac/cul-wht.html, eating grains high in gluten is a fairly recent event (since Roman times?), started in Europe so, IPSO FACTO, the Europeans have been eating the diet longest and developed the most problems with it. And our medical communities are only just now "connecting the dots" when it comes to symptoms and gluten-related diseases/conditions.

Anyhoo, I blame my ancestors! Why couldn't they have come from India?? ROFL!
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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 13:06
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Hey Csoar long time no talk...i was going to mail my book to a friend in Vancouver cause I think she really needs to get hold of her health...while i was taking the post its that i left in the book i came across that phrase about the UK ppl...yes i know you Irish are Brits...so i was just wondering why only them she mentioned...cause hubby is from there and i think he is gulten intolerance...he will be going for test, but just find it curious thats all...

Thanks guys your the best
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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 13:44
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I've also read that gluten intolerance or sensitivity may be underdiagnosed. Doctors seem to suspect it when people have a lot of intestinal problems or babies/toddlers fail to thrive, but they don't tend to test for it in people with respiratory, asthmatic or sinus problems (which go away when people try going gluten-free on their own).
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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 13:59
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I agree that gluten intolerance is under-diagnosed. I have a friend with severe colitis. Her specialist has put her on prednisone twice already. Had her taking 16 tablets a day for a long time. It calms the inflammation of the colitis, but does nothing to address the cause.

And do you think I can get her to even THINK about a gluten intolerance or to even see someone else? Nope. She could never give up her bread, you see.

Maybe I'm stupid or something, but if given the choice between prednisone (and destroying my body in the process) or giving up sandwiches ... hell, I'd give up the sandwiches in a heartbeat.

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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 14:07
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Maybe I'm stupid or something, but if given the choice between prednisone (and destroying my body in the process) or giving up sandwiches ... hell, I'd give up the sandwiches in a heartbeat.



No one said going from unhealthy to healthy was an easy path.
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I found that eating sandwich innards in a big salad topped with plenty of full fat dressing is what made giving up bread easy for me. It tastes & feels much more decadent than sandwiches ever did. And by varying the veggies you can get crunchy, chewy or whatever textures you're in the mood for.
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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 15:00
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You're preaching to the choir, Dierdra. My friend lives on grains. Cereal for breakfast, bagels for snacks, sandwiches for lunch, and pasta for dinner. She's the type, however, who won't question her doctor. "He knows what's best for me." She's said, though, that she won't do prednisone again. I asked her what she thought he was going to do for her that didn't involve prednisone. I'm really trying to get her to see a different doctor. That stuff is ruining her health. And by "stuff" I mean BOTH the prednisone and the grains!
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Old Mon, Feb-20-06, 15:02
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Maybe I'm stupid or something, but if given the choice between prednisone (and destroying my body in the process) or giving up sandwiches ... hell, I'd give up the sandwiches in a heartbeat.
I'm with you, babe! Besides, you can buy rice or quinoa bread that's veddy VEDDY tasty. Honestly, people can be sooooooo blinkered sometimes. What's up with THAT
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Old Mon, Feb-27-06, 08:10
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It's interesting how some of us are so tunnel visioned when it comes to our health...how we completely trust "Practioners" to know all, our bodies more than we do. Prescription drugs are expensive and dangerous and she's not taking into consideration the affect that the Prednisone is having on her body. If she just tried it for a couple of weeks...she would probably be amazed at the results! I am a firm believe that many of the illnesses that we have in this society are a result of unknown food allergies. For example, my nephew had severe bronchitis, and when I started researching my illness I told my sister about how eating whole foods might help. She changed his diet and did not allow any crap...even breakfast....which was oatmeal and boiled eggs... Within 3 weeks...it was gone! At the time he was 9...he has not had it since.
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Old Mon, Feb-27-06, 14:46
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I was DX with Microscopic Colitis 2 years ago. Initially, I chose the med route (in order to get immediate relief from chronic D, extreme muscle and joint pain, fatigue and depression) and took Pred. for 3 months and another steriod called Entocort for 6 months. Both medications worked well for me with no problems.

I knew others with MC who were controling their symptoms with a gluten free diet but I wasn't confident enough to jump into a diet without a "saftey net" so I adopted a GF diet at the same time I started the Entocort so by the time I weaned off it I had a good 6 months of GF under my belt and the diet took control after that.

I've been controling my symptoms for a year and a half by diet alone and I feel great. I'm of English ancestry to boot.
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Old Mon, Feb-27-06, 17:19
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My Mom had terrible tendinitis in her hands for years, and finally when she tried atkins with me it went away. Then afterwards when she ate gluten it came back, and she figured it out! She's been gluten free for a few years now, and is feeling much better, although we both have degrees of CFS, which I mention because it means you see alot of doctors over time - we've come to the conclusion that most doctors (our family Doctor is wonderful but doesn't know what to do about CFS) either think you're a hypochondriac because they can't find anything wrong with you that is obvious like a tumour; or they put you on heaps of medication for symptoms, not helping you heal. Like when my dr. put me on reductil and thyroid hormone when my levels were normal, because I was gaining weight while doing weight watchers perfectly.

Gee I've rambled a bit, sorry
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Old Mon, Feb-27-06, 17:35
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Im celiac and doing Atkins the first time, was where I discovered I was. I was so sick for so long,Drs, just thought it was in my head, So yes its under DX and Dxs all think you should be thin and have the runs and all that.
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