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Old Thu, May-10-18, 11:57
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Originally Posted by From Janet's link above

When robbed of carbs, the body is tricked into believing it is starving and turns to fat as an alternate source of fuel.
In the process of digging into its fat stores, the body releases molecules called ketones, hence the name "ketogenic" or "ketone-producing" diet. This state is known as nutritional ketosis.

I hate this description of what it means to be LCHF/KETO; and it is so often repeated. But where did these carb-lover types get this idea from? How about this as an alternative...

When excessive amounts of carbs are consumed, our bodies are quick to respond to the emergency. It is well known that high blood glucose levels (diabetes & pre-diabetes) are damaging to the body, so our metabolism makes it the first priority to burn or store as fat any excess carbohydrates consumed. When carbs are consumed within acceptable limits the body will turn to its preferred fuel source: fat. In this process both the food that we eat and our fat stores are readily available for energy. In a fat adapted state our bodies burn both glucose and fat for stable energy all day long. The fat is released as molecules called ketones, hence the name "ketogenic" or "ketone-producing" diet. This 'fat adapted' state is known as nutritional ketosis.

IMO - my definition is just as plausible. My body didn't come with a service manual that tells me what the "proper fuel" for my body is. But through my own experiences, it sure seem like Keto is running my body on premium fuel.

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Old Thu, May-10-18, 12:47
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I like the clarification. It is far more accurate than "believing it is starving" and looking for an alternate fuel. We humans are flexible, and that's why we've been around for a few years without the risk of becoming extinct.
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Old Tue, May-29-18, 10:33
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Good podcast interview with Dr. Sarah Hallberg, much about her two studies and ketones in general on Robb Wolf:
https://robbwolf.com/2018/04/30/epi...ype-2-diabetes/
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 02:45
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Dr Hallberg has mentioned in recent interviews that the groundbreaking results of the one year Virta study have not been promoted by diabetes groups, shared at conferences, covered by mainstream media, etc. She is resorting to Op-Edís to get the news, a good summary of study and its implications June 5th in the Detroit News.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/o...erse/670756002/
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 07:02
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Dr Hallberg has mentioned in recent interviews that the groundbreaking results of the one year Virta study have not been promoted by diabetes groups, shared at conferences, covered by mainstream media, etc. She is resorting to Op-Edís to get the news, a good summary of study and its implications June 5th in the Detroit News.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/o...erse/670756002/


Somewhat along the same lines. I read a recent article in the Washington Post about the Cleveland Clinic and how it treats alzheimers and other brain diseases. There was not a single mention of low carbohydrate diets as a treatment. Brief mention was paid to healthy eating with no description of what that meant. More emphasis was put on the development of new drugs. It's very disappointing but not unexpected.
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 09:04
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Unfortunately, it's not surprising that what people consider the "mainstream" information sources do not support this. It would immediately erode their credibility on what they have been espousing over the past 35 or more years. "Pay no attention to current news and progress, as it's a tremendous distraction, and we're certainly on the right path." It's disappointing; yet, we're seeing incremental progress in the developing awareness of how powerful a dietary approach can be when done correctly. The constant dialog on this forum is a contributing factor, and I'm grateful for it.
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 14:25
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The Cleveland Clinic in Las Vegas is just traditional Western Medicine, but the one in Ohio has a Functional Medicine department. I haven't read his work yet, but the doctor there is Mark Hyman. At least he espouses food as medicine.

The more research I do into diet and the neurological disorders, the more I become aware that they can all be made better with diet and exercise changes. I attended a Dancing for Parkinson't session this week, and afterwards read that ballroom dancing is used to help AD patients.

Dr. Bredesen, Dr. Wahl and others are pushing this knowledge forward and some day soon it will make it into the consciousness of the general public.
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 14:58
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The Cleveland Clinic in Las Vegas is just traditional Western Medicine, but the one in Ohio has a Functional Medicine department. I haven't read his work yet, but the doctor there is Mark Hyman. At least he espouses food as medicine.


Clearly Mark Hyman was not interviewed for the article. He has a podcast on ITunes call "The Broken Brain".
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Old Thu, Jun-21-18, 11:04
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Another Virta program...delivering fresh food along with a diabetes education to patients of a Healthcare system.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/dia...beat-drugs.html
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