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Old Wed, Jun-14-17, 06:28
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Dr. Fung's newest post The Fed and Fasted State is a very simplistic but clear explanation of the two states and why we need periods of fasting in our lives. Would be a great piece to earmark for sharing with someone starting out.
Thanks for this. As always, Dr. Fung finds the right word and illustrations to get through to me.
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There are really two different places where our body can obtain energy

1. food
2. Stored food energy (glycogen in liver, or body fat)

But here’s the CRITICAL point. You can only get energy from one or the other, but not both at the same time. ( Red added by ME for emphasis.)


And from Brenda (Join the party at Ketofest)

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I told Dr. Fettke I had been on the ketogenic diet just over three years, and that my foot had recently completely healed. His eyes lit up, and he smiled and said to me “Do you know how long it takes for the nerves to regrow from your spinal cord to your foot? Three years.”


If we want to get better and STAY better, especially those with neuropathy, we can't be jumping on and off this path or those nerves may never grow back. Our bodies need time to heal. This is not a quick fix.
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Old Wed, Jun-14-17, 06:39
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If we want to get better and STAY better, especially those with neuropathy, we can't be jumping on and off this path or those nerves may never grow back. Our bodies need time to heal. This is not a quick fix.


Jumping on and off this path is just a bad idea. If you care about health more than weight loss, which to me makes the most sense, then you will want to stick to a healthy way of eating.

Jean
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Old Wed, Jun-14-17, 07:13
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So true, this is not a quick fix, and with the varying ways individuals adapt, it is a long-term pursuit of good health with adjustments from N=1 experiences. Absolutely health must be priority number 1 with weight loss a pleasant by-product on the journey. Well said, both!
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Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 15:03
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Though I completely missed the social media angst ... I did find the new Fasting Talk format today. "Jimmy Moore and FRIENDS"

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/...o-fasting/27897

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Veteran health podcaster, blogger, international speaker, and bestselling author Jimmy Moore from “Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb” hosts this podcast dedicated to featuring listener testimonials and stories about their journey using intermittent, alternate day, and extended fasting. Jimmy, along with noted Toronto-based nephrologist and fasting expert Dr. Jason Fung, is the coauthor of the 2016 international bestselling book The Complete Guide to Fasting: Heal Your Body Through Intermittent, Alternate-Day, and Extended Fasting and has years of experience and knowledge about fasting to share in these engaging conversations with everyday people perfecting the fine art of not eating. Listen in today as Jimmy introduces the new format for Fasting Talk with Jimmy Moore And Friends by featuring the Fasting Success Story vignettes from the Audible audiobook version of The Complete Guide To Fasting in Episode 24. Beginning next Friday, he’ll start interviewing real people sharing their stories of fasting in the real world. DON’T MISS THIS EXCITING NEW FORMAT!

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Old Tue, Jun-20-17, 05:33
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http://www.doctorshealthpress.com/g...a-after-eating/

TMI department--a facebook group brought up diarrhea that some people get after a meal when they're intermittent fasting. An administrator suggested that the body wasn't used to food and was reacting as if poisoned, and suggested breaking a fast gently, and then eating a larger meal a while later. This article mentions stomach stretching as something that can trigger a bowel movement, and suggests that if this happens before the bowels are ready for it, things could get messy, which seems a more likely explanation. But this might be a case where the prescription is more important than having the diagnosis quite right.
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Old Tue, Jun-20-17, 08:20
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I definitely had loose bowels after fasting the first few times and eating a "regular meal" to break it. I think I warned others about that but it's not always the case apparently. I don't seem to have that issue much any longer - example was breaking an extended fast last Friday evening with large meal <-- poison? hardly
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Old Tue, Jun-20-17, 08:42
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I think the fellow was looking at shifts in gut bacteria as being what was responded to as poisoning, rather than the food itself.

Usually people have eaten recently enough that evacuation of the bowels is a reasonable idea when they eat another substantial meal. It would make sense for the system to learn after some fasting that that response is not always appropriate.

Maybe some food "intolerances" are simple conditioned responses?
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Old Wed, Jun-21-17, 09:39
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I definitely had loose bowels after fasting the first few times and eating a "regular meal" to break it. I think I warned others about that but it's not always the case apparently. I don't seem to have that issue much any longer - example was breaking an extended fast last Friday evening with large meal <-- poison? hardly
Man, I still have this problem in spades! I feel like I dare not break a fast unless I'm sure I have plenty of hours ahead of me to hang around the bathroom.
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