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Old Mon, Mar-31-14, 11:29
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Well, all the tumor feeding sugars in a "healthy balanced" diet isn't helping either. I mean, we all get cancer cells. Nobody reading this has probably avoided that. Your body will more often than not fight it off naturally, as it is designed to do. Problem is we are destroying that ability with a horrible diet, things like the sun avoidance/sunscreen, an a host of other bad ideas. Chemotherapy being a GREAT way to kill the natural defense mechanism.

I sound flippant because I have to laugh or cry. I tend to get a little verbose on the subject after watching a close friend die at 36 last year, all while slowly being poisoned and encouraged to eat what I could only call a cancer feeding diet for the five years it dragged on. It's sick and its sad and its so freakin' UNNECESSARY. And now there are three more children without a mother.



Agreed 100%

I've been surrounded by cancer - family, friends, loved ones....... One of whom was a strict vegan!

Whatever the cause/reason, I'm fairly sure that sugar in our blood is feeding cancer and nurturing it! And as for sunscreen - until fairly recently they were putting known carcinogenics in them???

Sadly, my cynicism has made me question the morals and wisdom behind the major cancer charities.

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Old Mon, Mar-31-14, 11:57
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The sooner people realize that everything on TV is an advertisement - 100% - the whole 9 yards - that includes the news, the dramas, the sitcoms, the doctor shows, the sporting events, and absolutely everything else, the better they will be.

Just because it's on Dr.Oz doesn't mean it is good for you - it means he is being paid to sell something to you, whether it's a book, dietary supplement or whatever.

Just because it's on the news, doesn't mean it's true. The reporters actually call themselves "presstitutes" and tell you only what is good for the corporation and it's advertisers.

The dramas and sitcoms are written to be entertaining but they are there to sell things to you as well. And sporting shows sell you things too.

TV is an advertising media masquerading as an entertainment and information media.

They don't tell you what is good for you, they tell you what is good for them.

And that's a fact.

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Old Mon, Mar-31-14, 12:20
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I don't see any studies listed that have a 400% increase in breast cancer.

http://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/T...cancerrisk.html
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Old Wed, May-07-14, 11:41
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There are also studies that show glucose feeds tumor cells, while ketones kill them. Wonder what Dr. Furman has to say about that, as it doesn't fit his save Bambi agenda?


I really have come to believe that we all have potentially cancerous cells, and the level of inflammation in our bodies is what allows cancer to develop. I also think it's highly likely that sugar feeds cancer cells. Therefore, the best thing is to eat in a way that lowers inflammation as much as possible. And to determine which foods cause inflammation.

As I am doing Atkins now, I'm finally at a point where I can analyze and observe how every single food affects me. I have celiac disease, but wasn't 100% wheat free until 7 months ago. I rarely ate it, but had indulgences here and there. My "noticeable" inflammation was in joint paint, mostly in wrists and fingers. It took 7 full months for that to go away when I totally committed to giving up all gluten. That fact alone showed me how insidious inflammation can be, and it doesn't go away instantly.

The more basic Atkins I eat, the better I feel, and the calmer my digestive system is. I have to believe this also means a state of much lower inflammation. I no longer choose to eat foods that I KNOW cause inflammation. If I ate the way a lot of "experts" advise, I'd be sick as a dog.
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Old Fri, May-16-14, 10:10
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I really have come to believe that we all have potentially cancerous cells, and the level of inflammation in our bodies is what allows cancer to develop. I also think it's highly likely that sugar feeds cancer cells. Therefore, the best thing is to eat in a way that lowers inflammation as much as possible. And to determine which foods cause inflammation.


The first part is widely accepted knowledge in the scientific community. Cancer cells develop in everyone's bodies all the time, it's just that most don't proliferate into a tumor/illness because they are recognized and killed by the immune system.
The inflammation and metabolism parts are less studied ideas, and I admit cancer biology isn't my favorite topic, but I have read some interesting work that's going on right now in both inflammation and metabolism's role in cancer.
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Old Fri, May-16-14, 10:33
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Dr Furman was just on Dr. Oz the other day and he said that diets that encourage animal products are creting women who are 400% more likely to get cancer (breast cancer for one).

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

He recommends his G-BOMB diet which consists of : Greens, Beans, Onions, Mushrooms, Berries, and Seeds


I think his diet is probably better than the SAD.

Jonathan Bailor interviewed him a while back. He pointed out that the societies that people lean on to provide epidemiological support for a plant-based diet aren't vegan, they're just low in meat. Bailor asked him why he didn't promote a ten percent meat diet, then--the answer was basically that he thought meat consumption was so far above what it should be that he put all his efforts to pushing anything but meat. I think this is a big mistake. The difference between ten percent meat and no meat is far greater than the difference between say 30 percent meat and ten percent meat--there's always the chance that the body will be able to increase the efficiency with which it holds on to nutrients, but if it doesn't get any of those nutrients at all, there's no way to become efficient enough to make up for that, in the long run.
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Old Fri, May-16-14, 11:18
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Dr Furman was just on Dr. Oz the other day and he said that diets that encourage animal products are creting women who are 400% more likely to get cancer (breast cancer for one).

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

He recommends his G-BOMB diet which consists of : Greens, Beans, Onions, Mushrooms, Berries, and Seeds

Well, if a thing is 4x more likely than another thing, then the other thing is only 1x likely, but likely nonetheless. Therefore, women who adopt his G-BOMB diet are 1x likely to get cancer. There's no reference though, so we don't actually know what those numbers mean. Any way we look at it, it doesn't make his G-BOMB diet look good by comparison, it only makes it look less bad.
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Old Sat, May-17-14, 09:09
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Again, do you want to eat a healthy diet?

If it advertised on TV, don't eat it -- and remember, the Oz show is nothing but an advertisement.

TV tells you what is good for them and their sponsors, NOT what is good for you. To believe otherwise is faulty thinking.

Bob
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