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Old Thu, Jan-26-12, 07:54
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Congratulaltions on your improvements, WereBear!

I can see why Dr. Davis says that it's easier to go totally without wheat than it is to eat a little wheat.
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Old Thu, Jan-26-12, 12:05
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what I have noticed is that I have no cravings for wheat or other carbs since giving up wheat. Absolutely none.
Same with me. Before that I believed that having cravings/hunger when you shouldn't be hungry was psychological and led to ''emotional'' eating. Elimination of wheat (& dairy) induced cravings revealed that it is chemical, not a character flaw. And one oreo can bring back the cravings.
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Old Fri, Jan-27-12, 07:29
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Often when I craved carbs I would have a bowl of oatmeal, thinking it was ok because its gluten free. Lately I've noticed the pain in my abdomen comes back shortly after eating it, sometimes that night, sometimes the next day. I think wheat intolerance is a progressive thing. My intestinal pain used to go away if I was vigilent about staying avoiding wheat and soy. Now even a small bowl of oatmeal, which was more then likely processed in a factory that also processes wheat products, causes problems. I've heard people say that allergies go away if you avoid the food for a year or so but that has not been my experience at all. I would definitely say my wheat allergy has only gotten worse over time.
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Old Fri, Jan-27-12, 09:38
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Oats are generally heavily contaminated with gluten. They're often grown side-by-side, harvested using the same machinery, stored in a silo that had stored wheat, shipped in containers once containing wheat, and so on. There will be wheat in your oats, it is just about guaranteed unless they're certified gluten free. However, even certified gluten free oats contain a protein that causes problems for many (most?) gluten intolerant people.

Oats are no good. IMHO, of course.

Oats have always been lumped together with wheat, barley and rye and celiacs are warned away from them.
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Old Fri, Jan-27-12, 15:25
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Same with me. Before that I believed that having cravings/hunger when you shouldn't be hungry was psychological and led to ''emotional'' eating. Elimination of wheat (& dairy) induced cravings revealed that it is chemical, not a character flaw. And one oreo can bring back the cravings.


My whole life I thought I was an "emotional eater". I joined Overeaters Anonymous, saw a therapist, joined a website devoted solely to curing emotional eating, to name but a few desperate measures. And all the time it was ****ing carbohydrates. Honestly, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Old Fri, Jan-27-12, 17:09
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My whole life I thought I was an "emotional eater". I joined Overeaters Anonymous, saw a therapist, joined a website devoted solely to curing emotional eating, to name but a few desperate measures. And all the time it was ****ing carbohydrates. Honestly, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


Sounds like me too. I was in OA for 3 years some 20 years ago, and while I learned a lot, I never had peace with food. It wasn't until I tried going wheat free (and sugar too of course) after reading the No Grain Diet by Joseph Mercola that I had real freedom from food cravings. Unfortunately, I didn't stick with it back then.

I read Wheat Belly and after reading all the wonderful things going without wheat does for some people I was jealous because I haven't experienced them. It's also not true that wheat spikes everyone's blood sugar as severely as Dr. Davis suggests. I was reading the book while visiting my mom and brother and tested him with my glucometer before and after a eating wheat and his blood sugar actually went down a couple points. Shows the variation we can have.
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Old Thu, Feb-02-12, 11:19
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New Dangers from a New Grain

" How can a supposedly healthy grain be so bad for you? Because the whole wheat that we eat today has little in common with the truly natural grain. Decades of selective breeding and hybridization by the fool industry to increase yield and confer certain baking and aesthetic characteristics on flour have created new proteins in wheat that the human body isn't designed to handle.

The gluten protein in modern wheat is different in structure from the gluten in older forms of wheat. In fact, the structure of modern gluten is something that humans have never before experienced in their 10,000 years if cinsuming wheat.

Modern wheat also is high in amylopectin A, a carbohydrate that is converted to glucose faster than just about any other carbohydrate. I have found it to be a potent appetite stimulant because the rapid rise and fall in blood sugar causes nearly CONSTANT FEELINGS OF HUNGER. The gliadin in wheat, another protein, also stimulates the apetite. When people quit eating wheat and are no longer exposed to glliadin and amylopectin A, they typically consume about 400 fewer calories a day." Just one part of a great article in Bottom Line by William Davis, MD, who wrote the book Wheat Belly: Lose the Wheat, Lose the Weight.

Someone on here gave a link to his blog www.WheatBellyBlog.com. He is a cardilogist and very informed.

You know, I can remember when I was a little girl that my grandmother had a flour bin. That wonderful fragrant aroma is still with me all these years later. I have said off and on throughout the years that flour just does not have a smell anymore. NOW I KNOW WHY! ITS NOT REAL FLOUR!

He also states we should beware of gluten-free products. Brown rice, rice bran, rice starch, corn starch, and tapioca starch, which also increase blood glucose and cause insulin surges. Even oatmeal can cause blood sugar to skyrocket.
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Old Sat, Apr-14-12, 17:16
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What a great thread! My thanks to all who contributed.
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Old Sun, Apr-15-12, 03:31
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My whole life I thought I was an "emotional eater". I joined Overeaters Anonymous, saw a therapist, joined a website devoted solely to curing emotional eating, to name but a few desperate measures. And all the time it was ****ing carbohydrates. Honestly, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


Wow. I've always felt most 'emotional eating' was probably biochemical and wished we could get out of the armchairs and into the science lab on this stuff -- I think to some degree this makes it clear that's true and we finally have.

I know that early in my LC days I would have literally like 1 Tbsp of milk (from the 'empty' carton of my kids' in the morning) or a lowcarb wheat based product and to say it was difficult to stay on plan was the understatement of the century. But if I don't drink milk and don't eat grains, I'm perfectly happy to eat meat.

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Old Sun, Apr-15-12, 03:55
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My sister is an "ignorance is bliss" sort, . She and her daughter love to go out pretty regularly for fat-free frozen yogurt She would often invite me to come along, and I would always refuse. Well she kept getting more insistent, and added "they have a sugar-free flavor every day too". I finally said, "I'm sorry, but after reading about what the ingredients are in fat-free frozen yogurt I just can't bring myself to eat it". To which she went ballistic and and said, "Do you always have to spoil everything? Can't you just let us eat our yogurt and enjoy ourselves without making a big deal about what's in it? We just want to go out together and enjoy eating our yogurt." ... without caring anything about ingredients of course.


One of THOSE. So it's not like she could come up with something that you COULD eat, so you could ALL have something to eat. No, it has to be what SHE wants to eat, and she'll pressure you, and if you merely defend yourself for why you say no, then it's as if you have attacked HER. People like that drive me out of my freaking mind. I'm sorry you're related to one! I'm sure she is very nice in other ways.

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Old Sun, Apr-15-12, 04:17
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Some people *are* that sensitive. I remember a guy I knew online who could not even eat burgers that had been grilled over a charcoal grill, because charcoal bricks are dusted in wheat, and just the fumes from them would give him a severe reaction!


Although I am officially 'mostly' off gluten, only during one period did I go absolutely, positively off gluten 100% with a detailed search of every spice, every possible area for it.

And the next time I ate some, I thought I was gonna DIE. My lowcarb journal friends were bored with my ever-new-amazed at how I could possibly feel that bad over something so stupid when god knows I'd been eating the stuff all my life (although the severe asthma, severe allergies, severe acid reflux--all of which vanished when I went lowcarb and accidentally got off 99% of gluten--didn't arrive until I was about 32 years old).

Until then I had honestly thought that people talking about being gluten'd, especially from some small thing, were whiner drama queens. It couldn't be that bad. But it is. I think maybe subconsciously that is one reason I have not been 100% gluten free since that time. Because it made even the tiny little cheat so horrifying a result.

The way I analogy'd it was this: say that you have soldiers -- defensive cells/immune system. And you have this country-wide war going on all the freaking time (eating stuff you react to internally). And after awhile, especially after your whole life, the soldiers etc. are frankly exhausted. They are spread thin, and they have learned to conserve their strength. They have daily battles all over the place but they are not too severe. Then, peace arrives. The soldiers get to go home and rest. They all regroup and shore up some strength. And then, the enemy invades at one specific spot (new-intake of reactive food). And all the sudden the freaking 5th Marine Platoon is there dealing with the enemy, with that "When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed by morning" go-get-em approach, and you wake up feeling like you were hit by a truck in the night.

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Old Sun, Apr-15-12, 04:35
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Why should he trouble himself reaching scientists... when the science is already there?


The problem with most things isn't that science doesn't have some answers, it's that the scientists and definitely doctors, nutritionists, etc. are not even up with modern science. Current textbooks teaching the people who will be our doctors, nurses, and nutritionists in 5-10 years are still saying saturated fat will kill you.

There is value to many in a science-based book. But the reality is that few people in science, medicine or nutrition are going to give a rat's butt about it because as we see from Taubes's GCBC book, even incredible efforts toward the science of a thing will not change the mind of legions of people who are already INvested, and vested, in what they already believe.

What you CAN accomplish, is to get the general public to think, "Huh. Well I'll just try it and see what happens." And that is likely to do more good for more people.

Plenty of people who tried lowcarb didn't know jack about it, didn't know the science, and just learned to read labels for carbs, and had good results that encouraged them to learn more. Sometimes getting things put into action is probably the best focus one can have.

You can plan the official stuff and layer it with foundation in legitimacy out the yang, but if the 'experts' refuse it for bias anyway and the 'laymen' don't read it because it's too complex, then not so much got accomplished in the end.

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Old Sun, Apr-15-12, 04:42
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... golf lady in 2009. when i met her she was limping badly. when asked what was wrong, she told me "3 yrs ago, i backed up, landed on my knee and felt like i twisted it. i have been to specialists and doctors and no one can find what is wrong with my knee. i have been taking advil for 3 yrs. without advil, i cannot walk, and if i cannot walk, i cannot do my job."

so when i discussed how gluten inflames the joints, and this could be her problem, she laughed at me and said, "honey, everything i eat has gluten in it."
by the end of the night and me sticking to her like glue, she agreed to go gluten free for a week. it bugged me because she said she'd been hurting for 3 yrs.
i gave her my number and told her to keep in touch.. thinking she would forget this evening and our conversation.

sure enough... on the morning of day 4, she texted me and said, "first morning without advil." at the end of the day, she texted me and said, "never took an advil. first time in 3 yrs."

that was in 2009. she has lost 50 pounds, never went back to gluten and is now a pro golfer in Miami...

Wow that's a helluva testimonial! How awesome that you made the effort, and what a difference in her life.

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Old Mon, Apr-16-12, 19:06
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I have now been wheat-free for over 3 months. My joint pain (which was sporadic) is now totally gone. But, the most amazing change is something that I don't even recall reading about in Dr. Davis' book--my severe night-time dry eye is gone. I've had dry eyes for about 25 years, but they've gotten much worse in the past couple of years as I've gone through menopause. Before I stopped eating wheat, I was using "severe dryness" eye drops at bedtime, waking up during the night and using more drops, and then more drops upon waking. In the past 3 months, you can count on one hand the number of times that I've used any eye drops at all.

I just did a websearch to see if this was a known effect. I didn't find medical websites which suggest that dry eye sufferers give up wheat or gluten. But, I did find threads on "dry eye" message boards where sufferers reported that going on a gluten-free diet stopped their dry eyes.

I also found that there is an auto-immune disease called Sjogren's syndrome in which the body attacks its own moisture-producing glands. The most frequent symptoms are dry eyes and dry mouth. This syndrome is most common among post-menopausal women (about 2% of women over 60 have it and 9 times more women have the disease than men) and among suffers of celiac disease. Like celiac disease, a treatment for Sjogren's syndrome is a gluten free diet.
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Old Mon, Apr-16-12, 19:07
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I have now been wheat-free for over 3 months. My joint pain (which was sporadic) is now totally gone. But, the most amazing change is something that I don't even recall reading about in Dr. Davis' book--my severe night-time dry eye is gone. I've had dry eyes for about 25 years, but they've gotten much worse in the past couple of years as I've gone through menopause.
Really interesting as I suffered from dry eye also, only in one eye actually, my right eye. But it really bothered me. However it's been quite a while since I've had an issue with it now - not the sort of thing it would ever have occurred to be to equate with gluten and/or being gluten-free.
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