Sun, Jan-14-18, 13:54
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Plan: mostly milkfat
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Progress: 104%
Location: Ontario
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Katz vs. Keto KoolAid
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/toas...kool-aid-david/
Bit of nonsense Katz states in the comments section;
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Whole grains figure prominently in most or all of the quite-varied, always whole-plant-food predominant diets of the world's longest lived, most vital peoples.
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Out of six billion people on the planet, roughly six billion of them eat a grain-based diet. Why do the longest lived people eat grains? He makes the observation that the Inuit aren't especially long-lived. Comparing the longest lived peoples among a sample of billions to the longest lived peoples among a sample of thousands. It's not a reasonable comparison. Also, whole grain, who eats whole grains? Mostly not people who've been told to, mostly it's people who haven't had more processed, sugary foods as even much of an option.
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But, alas, starvation has its drawbacks, among them the tendency to be fatal. When the body auto-digests, it is somewhat indiscriminate, and proteins can be leached even from vital organs such as the heart. That can disrupt micro-architecture, which can in turn disrupt electrical signaling, and that can and does cause fatal dysrhythmias. The first attempt to mimic the “benefits” of starvation medically, and thus arguably the fist ancestor to the current fixation on ketogenesis, was very low calorie liquid diets (VLCDs). These had the same drawback as actual starvation- periodic death by dysrhythmia- and have long since taken their place in the dust bin of bad ideas.
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This isn't even vaguely true, real food ketogenic diets started early in the 20th century (before this there were earlier diets like Banting that probably had people in ketosis, but until ketones could be measured and compared between low carb diets and fasting, I don't see how the analogy could be drawn.) What he's referring to are liquid protein diets from the 60s that used collagen, an incomplete protein that might have contributed to breakdown of proteins in the heart, rather than an ancestor to ketogenic approaches, this probably set them back by decades by prejudicing people against other approaches that mimicked fasting more safely.
Also the body being indiscriminate in autophagy also isn't true, perhaps the system breaks down sometimes, but indiscriminate as the default isn't a thing.
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