Yes Me. I LOVE fruits and veggies. BUt not my body in it's reactions.

Do you meant this in the context that we have been trained to eat them? or perhaps because we have been told from early childhood that veggies are good for us?

I have a daughter who loves veggies of any kind, and a son who hates them - both have been brought up to eat exactly the same thing, so I do tend to dispute the 'training' aspect here.

I don't mean this to be a sweeping generalisation, but I've noticed that it tends to be the males here who are the veggie haters, and the females who seem to like them - and I've seen this tendency a fair bit IRL too. I don't claim that it is simply due to the 'hunter/male' and 'gatherer/female' divide that prevailed amongst our ancestors, but I do find it an interesting concept.


As for me and my relationship with veggies, I do like the majority of them, but also feel that I could 'live without them' quite happily

Ugh not this again.

Enviroment can cause SOME cancers (ex. sun=skin, pollutants=lungs and other). But to say a diet is to cause (just to make your argument look better) is just plain crap. I myself ate lots of veggies and ate very healthy and at age 31 lost a chunk of my breast. Then I continued eating well (even low carb) and lost my ability to have children and almost my life. I have lupus and diabetes and a blood clotting disorder (which cause me to have embolisms in my lungs) and eating this way I am sure will help in my future life battles. Also BTW I have to limit my green leaft veggies anyway due to fighting against my medications. Then ordinary veggies throw my blood glucose into a tizzy. Do I like veggies? Yup! Do I think they are neccesary for good health?? No! Do I care if you eat them?? Nope. Enjoy them. Am I peeved? No. But please refrain from insinuating The Bear has cancer due to his diet. That is insulting to anyone that has fought the cancer battle, lost a new baby to this dreaded disease or a child or any loved one....

I too have already been down the cancer road.. I had cervical cancer. They found it when I was pregnant with my daughter. was I eating meat/eggs then? No. They let me carry her to term then yanked my insides out. My first attempt at lc about 3 years ago, and second attempt began in January of this year. Most recently, I've decided to go all meat. I truly believe some people can handle vegetables, and some cannot. I don't think I'm one of the people who can. Do I like veggies? yup, especially the ""wierd" ones... cauliflower, broccoli, brussel sprouts, spinach. Only veggie I really don't care for are beans - green beans, yellow beans, lima beans.

Wow, everyone is talkative. I know, for me, I'd rather read posts that point out what the posts author has experienced and I'm turned off by the posts attacking or disparaging the experiences of other authors. This site was created for people to share what they have experienced so others can take it or leave it and learn. I hope this thread will continue with that purpose in mind. Please share with us what YOU are doing for YOUR program and how it works for YOU. I love learning from others but I can distinguish for myself what I'll adopt and what I won't.

LOL...yes, I'm with you.

I too..er...for the sake of science and my sense of unbridled altruism shall willingly experiment on myself with a zero carb diet.

I might even brush off the cobwebs of my gym log to journal the daily "sacrifice" that I'm making eating only meats sans veggies of any kind.

Seriously, I'm awfully curious to see how my weight training evolves on this eating regimen, since I already that no carbs is better for cardio.

Have just come back from the gym after a great UBWO today.

I've not actually been to the gym for nearly a month (mainly due to not being well a few weeks ago and then not having the energy), so was very pleased with the weights that I was able to lift today (see gym log for details).

My breakfast this morning was a couple of scoops of whey protein mixed into some mascarpone and thick cream, and I've eaten nothing else since. Interestingly, I didn't feel that I needed to ingest anything else prior to my workout - my body 'felt' fuelled enough.

theBear, I have a couple questions.. btw thanks so much for being patient with all these questions that we have.

From your posts it appears you cook most of your meat. How do you handle eating out with friends and relatives? If you're at a restaurant, do you make sure the meat dish you order is free of sugar? I admit when I ate higher amount of carbs, I did not worry about this aspect. I knew probaby some meats were seasoned with soysauce/sugar and what not, but felt I had room to absorb those extra sugars. But aiming for 0-5 carbs is not easy. Several days now, I'd wanted a nice juicy ribeye steak from this restaurant but was leary about what they put in it. Maybe I could ask, but do I trust them? LOL. There's been time when I abstain from ordering a diet coke because I can't tell the difference between diet vs regular soda, and it's easy to give someone regular soda when they ask for diet. So can you explain how you handle social eating situations? Also, in your 47 years of eating near zero carbs, have you ever gotten sidetracked and eaten something "bad"? If yes, how did you feel afterward?

Thanks!

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abs...ournalcode=ajcn

and

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/ful...ournalcode=ajcn

Both these studies sought to compare and contrast the lifespan of vegetarians vs. non-vegetarians. As both abstracts clearly show in this particular trial, there is no increase in lifespan for vegetarians.

However, like the Bear and everyone else, all I've read over the years are tons of articles preaching almost to an evangelical nature the efficacy of eating veggies. We've all see it, right? If a person has stalled, ear infection, constipated, headache, trouble sleeping, can't run fast, falls asleep watching television, sleeps to much, blurry vision, stomach ulcers, or whatever the ailment happens to be, the first thing out of everyone's mouth is "eat more veggies!" Why? Because, you need to "eat more veggies!" Why would eating more veggies thereby raising carbs and calories bring me out of a stall? It's simple, "you need to eat more veggies!" Why would eating more veggies cure my stomach ache? Again the usual evangelical answer, "Simple, it's because you just to need more veggies. All that phytochemical stuff is going to make you live longer!"

Whatever beneficial effects that will be manifested by these phytowhatevers, it doesn't appear that they alone will make you live any longer.

I've noticed this too.

Growing up, my mother loved veggies of all kinds. She had a very natural disliking for meats and rarely ate them, if ever. My sister readily embraced my mother's eating preferences. On the other hand, my father would never eat veggies or fruits. Of course, I take after my father in that regard.

I never like to bring anything personal into these threads, but I will this time. My mother passed away very early from ovarian cancer. I'm not sure if it were because of the very little animal products she ate, or the copious amounts of vegetation that she had eaten. My father who has drank, smoked, eat fatty meats, even white rice, but *never* eating any veggies or fruits of any kind is still healthy, slender, and very vibrant at 70.

Please don't infer that I'm suggesting veggies are the bane of my mother's health issues, but merely wish to point out that for every example of a person getting "sick" not eating veggies, we can equally point out another person getting "sick" eating veggies.

I love the taste of veggies despite my mother making them taste nasty as a kid . I think that since I am a better cook (she needed recipes where I cook instinctively mostly), I have found ways to cook them that I like. I wish fruits and veggies weren't the triggers of addictive cycles in me, but they are. I find that with junk carbs like cakes (not home made) and candy and processed junk, I build it up in my head to be better than it is when I relent and eat it. It usually is far less satisfying than I build it up too be in my mind. That is the psychological side of my addiction. Fruits and veggies, on the other hand, I find to be great tasting, but I have trouble controlling my self and my hunger if I eat them. That will be the difficulty for me in maintenance for the rest of my life. I almost wish I couldn't stand the flavor. It seems it would make life much easier on me.

After reading this entire thread, this statement really sums up his opinion of vege's nicely.

My best friend, a female, dispises veggies. She may be rare (the females that dislike veggies).

As far as cancer and diet is concerned, I think there is a connection. In fact, I know of at least one connection: Wheat. If you're intolerant of wheat your likelyhood of getting several forms of cancer is much higher. Some cancer's are due to viruses. Others... who knows?

There have been studies that link higher fruit and veggie consumption to less cancer but... in my mind I'd like to know if that was simply because the people eating more fruits and veggies were eating less grains and sugars?

I have seen several females that have passed through this forum that totally loath veggies. But I do notice that females, for the most part, seem to enjoy their veggies more than the guys do.