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Old Sun, Feb-17-02, 04:43
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Default Electronic Ab belts

hey everybody,
this doesn't really have anything to do with atkins, but with losing weight in general. I keep seeing commercials and infomercials for electronic ab belts. You are supposed to put the belt around your stomach and it will stimulate your abs to contract as if you were doing situps, etc. I was wondering if anyone has tried it and if it really works????
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Old Sun, Feb-17-02, 07:20
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In my opinion I think it is just a gimmick like the rest of the junk. Remember the belt you wrap around your butt and you turn it on and it was to shake your fat away??? Only way youar going to lose is to exercise. I havent tried it and I am not going to but that is my 2 cents. Good luck!
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Old Sun, Feb-17-02, 08:00
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I had a friend who used it but she sent it back as it did not work.
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Old Sun, Feb-17-02, 20:59
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All of those ab machines/products are a BIG waste of money.

First of all, doing about 30 really controlled, effective sit-ups (crunches) a day is all you need...it's pretty much a waste to do more than that if you're doing them properly.

Next, you might build up your abdominal muscles with those machines, but it's more important to do cardio, to get rid of the fat on top of the muscle. You can't "spot"-rid of fat -- it comes off in reverse order that you put it on...so if you gained weight in your stomach first, chances are that that's where it's going to come off last. So if you want flat abs, combine ab exercises with fat-burning cardio!

Save your money and spend a few minutes/day doing 30 or so sit-ups, making sure you're conscious of doing them properly.

If you do want to spend money on an ab product, I highly recommend the video '8 Minute Abs'. It's very inexpensive (I think I paid $8 Canadian, it's probably cheaper now), and I'm sure you can find it online somewhere to purchase. This targets all areas of your abdominals, and is over before you know it. I don't know how many friends I've had over doing that video who couldn't believe how well it worked -- they actually started coming over and asking to do the video instead of going out!
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Old Sun, Feb-17-02, 21:10
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For the most part, assume that anything on an infomercial is junk. There are exceptions, but very few. Ask yourself this question - think of how quickly products like Rogaine and Viagra received wide publicity and acceptance. Why did this happen? Because they work and the fact that they work is easily demonstrated and documented. Now ask yourself how easy it should be to demonstrate and document that this "ab-belt" works as advertised? Now ask if there is any reason that the media wouldn't jump on it as quickly as the other products if it did?
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Old Sun, Feb-17-02, 21:19
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They are in a word a "scam".

We had a discussion about them not that long ago:

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthre...&threadid=33212

Nat

P.S. I moved this thread to the exercise forum.
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Old Sun, Feb-17-02, 21:22
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So if you want flat abs, combine ab exercises with fat-burning cardio!


But not too much fat burning cardio. Excessive fat burning cardio is actually muscle wasting cardio. Do your cardio but do not over do it - and remember "Abs are made in the kitchen" - whether you see them or not is a function of % of body fat.

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Is 30 situps really all I need to tone my abs?? I can do that and then when my body percent gets low enough, I'll see them all toned. Man, I could to 30 everyday for the rest of my life, if that's all it took. Why do some do 100s then?

I need some clarification please,
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thanx everybody on clearing the ab toner belts up. I kept seeing the commercials every day and they're very persuasive! I did do a little research on the internet to see what people's comments were on those products. Some say they work and others say that the belts actually sting and leave red welts on their stomachs! I think i'm gonna try the 30 crunches a day. I'm not really looking for toned abs, but just a flat tummy. My fiance says he likes soft bodies not hard ones LOL I've never been an exerciser but I think I can manage the 30 crunches... and hopefully when my energy levels rise from the diet, i'll be able to do more.


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Man, I could to 30 everyday for the rest of my life, if that's all it took. Why do some do 100s then?


Erin, two reps of 15 is all you 'really' need if you do them right - if you do them 'right' you shouldnt be able to do any more than that. If you do more you're just fooling yourself.

Getting down on the ground or on a weight bench and going through the motions isnt doing your ab muscles any good - they must be contracted for every move. The motion of the crunch is very small - you raise your shoulders off the ground and that it. But you do this while squeezing your abs, forcing the breath from your diaphram and squeezing your glutes (which isolates the abs and takes the hip flexors out of the picture) When done right you'll feel those 30 crunches the next day.

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Can these machines really help you get a perfect body without a lot of sweat and strain?

The makers of devices such as AB Energizer, Fast Abs and Ab Tronic say yes and insist there is scientific evidence to prove it. Many researchers say no and insist you won't look like the models in the advertisements unless you really work at it. And in the middle are consumers who are snapping up the devices by the millions, hoping to get the results they see advertised on television.

Now there is a fourth party involved: the Food and Drug Administration, which has sent letters to 13 companies saying these products are medical devices that needed the government's OK before they went on the market. Only one, Slendertone Flex, has received approval so far.

Dan Schultz of the FDA's Office of Device Evaluation says the government has concerns about "the way the devices are designed, the way the electrodes are configured and the labeling of the devices — all of which we think contributes to a safe product or an unsafe product."

"Clearly these are medical devices," says Harold Pellerite in the FDA's Office of Compliance. The next step is another letter from the agency. If the companies don't comply, the FDA could then take regulatory action, such as seizing the devices at stores or warehouses, getting a court order to stop the firms from distributing the products or imposing fines, he says.

Tom Nelson, president of the company that makes the AB Energizer, says his product is not a medical device, but rather an exercise device that is legal.

Meanwhile, the Federal Trade Commission won't say whether it's investigating the advertising of these products. But Walter Gross, a senior FTC attorney, says, "Anything that makes specific claims that you will lose weight or change your body configuration needs to be substantiated by scientific evidence."

A shock to the system

All this hoopla is centered on a battery-operated device that can be worn around the stomach, buttocks, thighs or other areas of the body. The theory is that the device strengthens and tones a targeted trouble spot by causing the muscles to contract with electrical impulses.

How much of an improvement you get in strength depends on how long you use the AB Energizer and how high you set the current, says Michael Skyhar, an orthopedic surgeon in San Diego and a spokesman for the product.

People who wear the AB Energizer properly for 10 to 15 minutes may get the equivalent of 600 to 700 muscle contractions (which is not the same as doing 600 sit-ups), according to Electronic Products Distribution, the product's maker.

The AB Energizer commercial suggests that the product promotes weight loss. The device comes with a low-calorie diet plan and is part of an entire system, the maker says.

No device alone will make you look like the people in the commercials, Skyhar says. "In order to look like the models, you have a combination of genetics, very low body fat, a vigorous exercise program, proper diet and a good lifestyle."

The makers of these devices base their products' claims for strengthening muscles on research done on electrical muscle stimulation, or EMS.

EMS has been used for years by physical therapists and athletic trainers as a means of rehabilitating muscles after injury or surgery. That work is mostly done in clinical settings using machines that plug into wall outlets.

Anthony Delitto, chairman of the department of physical therapy at the University of Pittsburgh, has researched EMS and is skeptical of the benefits of the battery-operated devices on the market.

He says the commercials for the products are misleading. The idea that people could sit around with these stimulators on to get those kind of bodies is "absolute nonsense," Delitto says.

But he does believe the equipment used by health professionals can make a difference. In one study using such equipment, Delitto found that EMS increased muscle function in people after knee surgery. "We showed it made a difference in how well people walked immediately afterward and up to a year later," he says.

Delitto says many people "have an aversion" to electrical stimulation, so medical professionals in clinical settings work through patients' angst.

When he recently tested three different battery-operated products, only one (Ab Tronic) came close to producing a muscle contraction that was high enough to be considered in the muscle-strengthening range, he says. "With the other two (Fast Abs and AB Energizer), we couldn't get the current high enough to experience much of a muscle contraction."

But Nelson with AB Energizer disputes those results. He says his product provides "more than enough power to give you a really good workout, and you can see your muscle contractions." The company has sold almost 2 million AB Energizers (suggested retail: $59.95) since the product went on the market in October. Nelson says the product is safe and effective.

Studies are inconclusive

Others have studied the use of this kind of product to strengthen muscles. John Porcari and colleagues in the department of exercise and sports science at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse recruited 29 college-age adults and divided them into two groups.

One group received the electrical muscle stimulation three times a week for eight weeks. Adults in the other group thought they were getting the treatment, but the wires were altered and didn't deliver current. The type of EMS used for the study involved patches, not belts. Biceps, triceps, quadriceps, hamstrings and abdominals were among muscles targeted.

The participants' weight, body-fat percentage and strength were measured before and after the eight weeks. Photographs of each subject were taken from the front, side and back to determine whether they looked different after the stimulation.

Those who actually had the EMS treatments didn't show improvements in their strength, body-fat percentage or weight. And they were not judged to look any different after the study.

Porcari says that although he didn't specifically test the abdominal belt machines on the market, the technology is basically the same, and the results would probably be similar. His study has been accepted for publication in a peer-reviewed journal.

Some participants in his study found EMS painful. To achieve the stimulus necessary to get benefits, the intensity has to be increased to a level higher than most people can tolerate, Porcari says.

"If you have ever had a muscle cramp in your calf, that's what it feels like."

Skyhar says he uses the AB Energizer for 10 to 20 minutes a day, and it doesn't feel painful to him, but he says other people may find it uncomfortable
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But not too much fat burning cardio. Excessive fat burning cardio is actually muscle wasting cardio. Do your cardio but do not over do it


You can go up to 1 hours of cardio per day, assuming that you have the fitness level to perform interval training for that period of time ... Intensity is the key.

As long as yor protein intake is high enough (1.5 grams of protein per pound of your bodyweight per day ... divided evenly over your 6 daily meals/snacks/shakes) and frequent enough (meals 2 hours apart), you will keep yourself in a positive nitrogen balance and will minimize your muscle wasting.

Just like anything else, your body WILL adapt to a training stimulus if you do it the same all the time. And remember, to lose fat you need to create a caloric defecit. There are only a few ways to do this: cutting calories (a no-no) and increasing activity.

If you are still paranoid about losing muscle, take glutamine after your workouts and before bed. If you are STILL paranoid, take BCAA's (branched chain amino acids) after your workout.

Doses are dependant upon bodyweight ....
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