Wow, Kat, big news around the corner. Do you continue to do 23 hour fasts three days a week?
You are one of many who pushed the book sales yesterday. At some point in the day the book was in the top ten of all books, fiction and non-fiction, on Amazon. Jimmy keeps posting the sales records everywhere. Amazon changes sales figures every hour, but it is still at 37 of ALL books, and near top of all diet books. New books always spike as they mail out the copies, but will be interesting if word of mouth gives it staying power.

The book that is amazing is Whole30, right now still #20 in all books...18 months after publication! It is always at the top of diet and health books, even higher ranked than the Hartwigs brand new book, Food Freedom. The Whole 30 concept of an elimination diet followed by real foods seems to have a life of its own, as they haven't promoted it much since publication.

Dr Fung's post about the book was a bit OTT..it sounded like Jimmy Moore wrote it instead of a doctor. As other commentators wrote before I had a chance, there are a number of German, Swiss and Eastern European Fasting Clinics that have been around for fifty years or so. think I posted this article last year about the well known Buchinger, and others with years of experience.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...-fasted-11-days.

Can you tell yet how much of it is Jimmy (stream of consciousness conversational with lots of CAPITALIZED and italicized words and exclamation points) and how much is Fung (organized and concise with a bit of humour)?

In Canada Amazon says it will be shipping in 1-2 months.

Thanks for noticing! It's because of Jason Fung that I have been making progress. I won't say exactly what I'm doing so I don't get in trouble here (I've had to move over to fasting support groups -- I'm not doing anything extreme, however), but his protocol works. I think I'll be in Onderland by the end of this month! I'm pretty excited about it.

I've only read a couple of chapters, but it's less Jimmy and more edited Jason Fung (no salty language). It's similar to his IDM blogs. I think it will be perfect for anyone new to fasting.

I think the book will be great for new fasters -- so far it reads more like the IDM blogs. I'll get a chance to read more this weekend.

I've had to move past 23:1 fasts as my body simple adjusted to those. Mine are longer now, but I'm not really going to say so I don't get in trouble with the moderators -- but I'm not doing anything extreme, and I'll be talking to my doctor about it next week with plenty of lab tests.

I've also lowered my protein intake to 50 grams or less a day on the days I eat, and limit most of my protein to one meal to reduce insulin spikes.

I still have another 50-70 pounds to go, so I don't want to get too cocky about it all -- but I do feel like I have control over the process now.

Diedra, Jimmy had a FB post that the publisher is rushing more print copies to Amazon warehouses, and the 1-2 months should drop to available soon. The wait will not be that long. Unexpected demand.

Kat, Thank you! Congrats to you. I wandered to your journal, a safe haven for your inner faster.

I bought the kindle version of the new book and have been reading it.

I was hoping he would address low adrenals/thyroid and if you should fast or not, but from the section that addresses who shouldn't fast he doesn't mention this issue. I was really disappointed.

yogama, I don't know enough about IF to be able to discuss it more than on the surface.

But it seems to me that if a particular issue is NOT mentioned as preventing safely using IF, than it isn't an issue. It's not as though there was room in a normal length book to discuss EVERY issue, you know?

And, being one who is hypothyroid, and having some understanding of adrenal issues, I can't really see how either or both of them would preclude fasting.

From the few that have mentioned it to me they say that
fasting stresses the body and therefore would put additional
stress on the adrenals.

I am no expert either!

I keep thinking that Dr. Fung's clinic has guided thousands of patients in
fasting to treat T2D and there have got to be many with low adrenals/thyroid.

I want to fast so badly to start to get my FBG down to below 100. But I
don't want to make my adrenals worse.

On the DietDoctor website, they have launched a new Q& A service for you to ask Dr Fung qeneral questions like that...not medical advice. The new service is different from previous so all those old questions Are archived. I skimmed them, and this seems the only related.



Suggest you ask him directly, he was good about quick replies last time.

Thanks Janet! I think I will try to do that this weekend.

I don't think you'll find much on adrenals or thyroid by Dr. Fung -- it's not really his area. I believe he mentioned once that the idea of adrenal fatigue has no research, so he doesn't take much stock in the idea (I am paraphrasing from memory here -- don't quote me on it).

I have Hashimotos and have observed my TSH, FT3 and FT4 are much better eating this way, and with fasting -- I'll get another test in a week or so, so I'll see if that continues. I have completely eliminated all grains and sugars, which could possibly have reduced inflammation -- which has been suggested as a reason for autoimmune disorders (which Hashimotos is). But that is pure speculation on my part. I just know I am doing better (I still take Armour Thyroid), with both a ketogenic diet and fasting.

Kat,
That's really good to know! Thanks so much for responding.

I may just have to experiment on myself and see how it goes.
I probably wont try to fast until after the first of the year
because I need to get off coffee first. I have been needing to
get off of it anyway but I really want to be off of it by the time
I start fasting because I like cream in it and I will get a headache
if I don't drink any.

Its been much harder for me to stop since I went to cold brew
and I enjoy it so much.

I have had to lower my caffeine intake, but now I make half-caff coffee in a French press every morning -- whether I'm eating or not. I have some HWC and it's heaven. Why do you need to give it up?

I was told that caffeine is hard on adrenals plus when fasting
even more so.

I also think but don't know yet that the cream may be raising
my BG numbers.

Also, I have 3 to 4 cups of coffee every morning and I put
1 tablespoon of cream in each and if I drink that while fasting I don't
think I am really fasting? Maybe just cutting down to 1 cup
would be enough?