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Tuesday, December 23, 2003

Dieticians Question Benefits Of Popular Atkins Diet Program

By Rita Brhel, rita.brhel~yankton.net


http://www.yankton.net/stories/1223...031223027.shtml

For many who are looking to take off a few extra pounds gained during the holidays, the Atkins diet is a dream come true.

Few dieters can turn down a menu that includes greasy bacon, juicy steaks, scrambled eggs and relatively few vegies.

While the popular diet seems to have a miracle weight-loss effect, South Dakota nutrition experts warn that losing weight fast via the Atkins diet isn't necessarily healthy.

"The biggest misconception is that people can get on these diets until they lose their weight and then go back to eating how they did before," said Dora Lynn Jarvis, registered dietician of Avera Sacred Heart Hospital, Yankton. "However, for these diets to work, they have to be a lifetime commitment. Once they get off the high-protein, low-carb program, they gain just as much weight as they lost during the diet and some extra pounds."

Jarvis said she didn't know one person who had been on the Atkins diet for more than a year. Most people stayed on the diet only long enough to lose their pounds.

"I wouldn't recommend it, because it's designed to be a lifetime program. Most people can't stand to be on it forever because of its nutritional imbalance," she added.

The Atkins diet, circulated in the 1970s and 1990s, was developed by Dr. Robert C. Atkins and is considered a ground-breaking, although highly controversial, weight loss program. It consists of four phases.

The first phase, the Induction Diet, lasts two weeks, during which dieters can only consume 20 grams of carbohydrates per day.

Because many food groups contain carbohydrates, including fruits, breads and cereals, vegetables and dairy, Jarvis said numerous vitamins and minerals are limited with the lower intake of carbs.

"A nutrient analysis of a sample menu shows that during the induction phase, dieters consume only 16 percent of their daily value of fiber, less than two-thirds of the nutrients that they should be getting," he said. "They are also getting twice the saturated fat they should be getting each day, and three times the cholesterol."

The second phase, called Ongoing Weight Loss (OWL), increases the carb intake to 60 grams per day, although 35 to 40 grams is recommended.

"Again, this phase is deficient in vitamins and minerals," Jarvis said.

OWL is where dieters start losing weight. The length of the phase depends upon the individual, as that person is to remain in the phase until he or she is within five to 10 pounds of his or her target weight. The ideal weight loss rate is one pound each week. Therefore, a person hoping to lose 50 pounds can expect to be in the OWL phase for at least 50 weeks, or a little more than a year.

The third phase, Pre-Maintenance, lasts two to three months and is a transition from major weight loss to target weight maintenance. During this time, dieters' weight-loss rates slow to less than one pound gone per week.

Dieters are allowed one deviation from the prescribed menu two times per week, such as a baked potato added to supper.

"Once again, this diet is low in fiber, vitamins and minerals, and high in saturated fat and cholesterol," Jarvis said.

The fourth phase, Maintenance, begins when the dieter reaches his or her target weight. This phase lasts for the remainder of the person's lifetime.

During this time, the person can eat as much as 90 grams of carbohydrates per day, although the typical person must limit the carb intake to 40 to 60 grams per day to maintain their target weight.

"While 90 grams of carbs per day is better than the limitations of the other phases, it is still deficient in nutrients," Jarvis said.

Federal guidelines recommend that at least 130 grams of complex carbohydrates are consumed per day. "Carbs serve as fuel for the brain," Jarvis said. "I don't think it'd be 130 grams if it didn't need to be.

"There are just so many exclusions," she added. "For example, people on the Atkins diet can't have milk, which cuts down on the calcium and vitamin D they receive. While they can have cheese, this doesn't contain vitamin D, which is necessary to absorb and utilize the calcium. Most vitamins and minerals are needed in order for others to benefit the body. The Atkins diet cuts out so many of these."

The Atkins diet does promote the use of a multi-vitamin, Jarvis said. However, this nutritional supplement still doesn't contain all the missing necessary nutrients excluded by the diet plan.

There is one good thing about the Atkins diet, Jarvis said: It recommends olive oil be used as a fat. Olive oil is a monounsaturated fat and is healthy for the heart.

However, the Atkins doesn't give any limits on fat or calorie intake. "Its only concern is the number of carbohydrates consumed," Jarvis said. "It's basis is fat."

She said children, teenagers and young adults still growing should definitely not be on the Atkins diet, because of its lack in calcium and other essential nutrients.

According to Atkins Nutritionals Inc., Ronkonkoma, N.Y., its weight-loss program is a corrective diet that reduces the intake of refined carbohydrates. The organization claims weight gain can be attributed to an over-abundance of insulin, which is stimulated by carbohydrates. Atkins Nutritionals says the American diet is grossly imbalanced in that the typical person consumes 200 to 300 grams of carbs per day.

The organization counters critics' claims that the diet lacks in essential vitamins and minerals, as long as the program is done correctly. Dieters that include at least three cups of green, leafy salad vegetables and unlimited amount of unprocessed animals foods should have no problem with nutrient deficiency, according to Atkins Nutritionals. It maintains that the healthiest carbohydrates are those found in vegetables, fruits, whole grains and legumes -- although these are to be limited throughout the entire program.

Despite Atkins Nutritionals' defense, Sherry Peer, a South Dakota registered dietician, said that while fast weight loss can be beneficial for some conditions, such as morbid obesity, the Atkins diet should not be used long-term.

"It is a low-fiber, very high-fat, unbalanced diet that contains low amount of water-soluble vitamins, calcium and vitamin D," said Peer, also a certified diabetes nutrition educator and licensed nutritionist of Sioux Valley Hospital, Sioux Falls. "There are a number of risks, including colorectal cancer because of high red meat diets and low fiber intake; and cardiovascular disease from high protein and fat intake. It is also not the diet for those at risk for renal disease and type 1 diabetes because of the extra stress put on the kidneys by ketosis, high BUN (blood urea nitrogen) and rapid weight loss. It may also cause more kidney stones."

While the Atkins diet does its job, it is never good to nearly cut out whole food groups, Peer said. "In addition, carbs are good for the body and all contain needed vitamins and minerals, fiber and iron," she added.

Peer said not to be fooled by the Atkins "miracle diet." Much of the Atkins Induction phase is fluid loss instead of fat.

"Studies show that weight loss from the Atkins is about the same as from other, healthier diet-exercise combinations," Peer said. "The problem is, if the dieter isn't exercising, he or she isn't strengthening his or her cardiovascular system which is critical with a high-protein diet. Many people depend just on the diet to lose weight, when exercise is also needed to keep themselves healthy. And, if a person isn't consuming carbohydrates and then exercises, he or she is going to be burning muscle for energy instead of fat."

The best diets are those that lose weight at the rate that it took the body to gain it, she added.

"A good diet should have a high intake of fruits and vegetables and lower intake of red meat and fats," Jarvis said.

"Balanced diets are the key to healthy weight loss and maintenance," Peer added.

Good diets are the Weight Watchers plan, which focuses on increasing fiber and certain nutritional points, and the South Beach diet, which allows for more fruits and vegetables than the Atkins diet, and limits portions of fat.

"Any diet is a lifetime commitment," Jarvis said.

Peer recommends people look at more than food selection when trying to lose weight. "With diets, you'll only lose the weight," she said. "It won't change anything on the inside. People are always counting something, whether it's calories, fat grams or carbs. They're also measuring lost pounds and inches. But, these don't do anything for who's inside the body. Losing pounds or inches won't help to boost a low self-esteem."
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Old Tue, Dec-23-03, 16:00
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""It is a low-fiber, very high-fat, unbalanced diet that contains low amount of water-soluble vitamins, calcium and vitamin D," said Peer, also a certified diabetes nutrition educator"

Ehh? Uhh? It wouldn't hurt these NUTRITION specialists to check the NUTRITIONAL facts of foods once in a century or so.

When I say "best" I mean a combination of nutrient/gram and nutrient/kcal, because both matter: one can't eat kilograms of anything, and also one can't eat too much of super-caloric stuff.

Water-soluble vitamins? Lets see:
B1: Best natural source is ... PORK, low-carb 1, low-fat 0
B2: Fish roe, liver, kidney (okay, never eaten kidney, but fish roe and liver thumbs up) low-carb 2, low-fat 0
B3: Unrefined wheat bran, turkey, liver, peanut, frankly ANY meat, I guess this could be said to be a tie, except the amount people eat ANY meat totally blows unrefined wheat bran consumption ... lets say low-carb 3, low-fat +
B5: Aww, my source of food info doesn't even list it, because lack of it is so rare it is not even given a recommended amount. I'm willing to bet that meats have a better nutrient/kcal ratio. Good sources are any meats (be it walking, swimming, or clucking sort), whole-grain cereals and peas/beans (not green).
B6: Ham. Like with a mile long headstart, ham.
B12: Liver. We are talking like few grams of beef liver for RDA here. Not too shabby ehh?
C: Darn, they got us! Us low-carbers eat no veggies or fruits right? Wait... that doesn't sound right. Double wait, I'm consuming MORE veggies than EVER now. Low-carb 6, low-fat 1+.

Blergh, that was too easy... I mean, a dietician SHOULD know that water-soluble vitamins are much EASIER to get from being a carnivore than a carbivore.

Calcium??? Vitamin D???? .. +???? .. Wait, lets add some ??????-marks. I ran out, could someone hand me some ?-marks? I won't bother to remark on THAT one.

Now if they had mentioned fat-soluble vitamins, they would have found the one and only non-carnivore vitamin-E. Now that is the only one that is hard to get from being a carnivore. Which is why low-carbers are carnivores with a veggievore-twist.

edit: Okay not of course ALL are, but a huge part. And those who are not, are much more concerned with getting all the nutrients usually, and so make good choices.

Oh, and btw, the "certified diabetes nutrition educator" part really tells a lot doesn't it? Ever wonder why diabetes complications are such a HUGE issue? Why diabetics keep dropping dead? Why Type2 diabetes is ever increasing its prevalence? Look no further than this gal (and the thousands like her) ...

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Now that is just infuriating.

The nature of the carb itself - is nothing more than a simple fuel vessel. Carbs themselves serve no purpose but to fuel the body, they do not carry nutrients or needed substances to repair tissues like fat or protein do.

It is only by incidence that carbs happen to be paired with minerals and vitamins. The carbs themselves are just simple energy... and for sedentary people they pose a threat as hunger and fat inducing. We would all be better off eliminating them in excess. Carb control is very important.

There are now low carb versions of milk, bread, etc all of which contain the nutrients low carbers may be missing out on. By no small coincidence, the fruits and veggies which are lowest in sugars are also those that tend to be highest in nutrients, so don't even get me started about how atkins limits veggies and fruits. The best fruits are melons and berries, and the best veggies are those which have deep rich colors (particularly green)... both these groups are very low in carbs. Legumes are also relatively low in carbs (when you're maintaining), and are excellent for your health.

The "starch sacks" (grains and tubers) like potatoes and rice have very little nutrative value relative to melons, berries, and deep colorful veggies.

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<<Federal guidelines recommend that at least 130 grams of complex carbohydrates are consumed per day. "Carbs serve as fuel for the brain," Jarvis said.>>

Glucose serves as fuel for the brain (as do ketones). Glucose can be produced by the body from protein.

But the most interesting thing in the article

<<"The biggest misconception is that people can get on these diets until they lose their weight and then go back to eating how they did before," said Dora Lynn Jarvis, registered dietician of Avera Sacred Heart Hospital, Yankton.
"However, for these diets to work, they have to be a lifetime commitment. >>
and then she says...
<<"Any diet is a lifetime commitment," Jarvis said. >>
???

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Jarvis said she didn't know one person who had been on the Atkins diet for more than a year.


Ummm...maybe not personally, but Dr. Atkins himself was on it for several decades. Drs. Dan and Mary Eades (authors of Protein Power) have been on it for a very long time, same with Dr. Schwarzbein and Dr. R. Bernstein. We have members here who have been low carbing for 5 or more years and I've been low carbing for almost 3.

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"A nutrient analysis of a sample menu shows that during the induction phase, dieters consume only 16 percent of their daily value of fiber, less than two-thirds of the nutrients that they should be getting,"


Fiber is not a nutrient. It is undigestible by the body and only serves to provide bulk. Studies also conflict as to whether the recommended 25 grams of fiber per day (for women) really provides as much benefit as they would like us to believe as far as cancer prevention goes. Granted, on induction (which only lasts for 2 weeks, for Pete's sake!) it would be a challenge to get 25 grams of fiber into your diet, but during OWL, it's not that difficult once you start adding things like nuts, seeds and ground flax to your daily menus as well as more veggies. I'd also like to point out that it's very difficult to get that amount of fiber eating the highly processed diets that many non-low carbing people eat. Ever check how much fiber is in processed white flour, refined white rice or potatoes? How about white bread? Yup...lots of fiber there!

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The second phase, called Ongoing Weight Loss (OWL), increases the carb intake to 60 grams per day, although 35 to 40 grams is recommended.
"Again, this phase is deficient in vitamins and minerals," Jarvis said.


I'd like to know whose menus she's checking to get that idea. According to Fitday, even at 30 grams of carb per day, there are very few, if any, vitamins and minerals that I'm not getting at least 100% RDA on (many 150-200%+) and the few (usually Calcium and Magnesium) that I may be short on are easily compenstated for with a daily multivitamin which isn't a bad idea for most people to to be taking given the nutrient-poor diets that many consume.

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"Carbs serve as fuel for the brain," Jarvis said. "I don't think it'd be 130 grams if it didn't need to be.


First of all, as someone alread pointed out, the brain (and only a small portion of it) has to have glucose, not carbs. Granted carbs are turned into glucose by the body but proteins can also be converted to glucose to supply the few cells of the body that cannot function without glucose (primarily those without mitochondria). For the most part, the brain is quite happy using ketones for fuel instead of glucose and suffers no ill effect from doing so.
Second, she should go back and read the comments of those that set 130 grams of carb per day as a recommendation. They stated that most people could probably do just fine on considerably less (60-90 grams of carb per day), but wanted to err "on the side of caution" when making their recommendation. In other words, it's not founded on any sound scientific evidence but rather an estimated guess. She might also benefit from taking a look at cultures that traditionally consumed far less than that along the line of carbs (the Inuit, for example) and didn't appear to be suffering brain damage due to lack of carbs.


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"It is a low-fiber, very high-fat, unbalanced diet that contains low amount of water-soluble vitamins, calcium and vitamin D," said Peer, also a certified diabetes nutrition educator and licensed nutritionist of Sioux Valley Hospital, Sioux Falls. "There are a number of risks, including colorectal cancer because of high red meat diets and low fiber intake; and cardiovascular disease from high protein and fat intake. It is also not the diet for those at risk for renal disease and type 1 diabetes because of the extra stress put on the kidneys by ketosis, high BUN (blood urea nitrogen) and rapid weight loss. It may also cause more kidney stones."


These are all common misconceptions she's repeating here, not based on any hard evidence or scientific studies. In fact, the studies that have been done specifically relating to low carb have shown many of those statements to be blatantly false (red meat causes colon cancer, high fat = heart disease, your kidneys will fail from all that protein intake). It makes me wonder if she's even read any of the recent studies that have been published.
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I got my BIGGEST laugh from this quote. . .

"Federal guidelines recommend that at least 130 grams of complex carbohydrates are consumed per day. . . . Jarvis said. "I don't think it'd be 130 grams if it didn't need to be."


Wait. Jarvis bases her argument on what the GOVERNMENT says about carb levels??? Is THAT where dieticians get their knowledge? Do they merely parrot what the government says about nutrition?? And of course, the government couldn't be wrong, either.

No wonder dieticians don't get it.
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And THIS ONE. . .


"While the Atkins diet does its job, it is never good to nearly cut out whole food groups, Peer said. "

Of course, the dieticians would have you cut out (or NEARLY cut out) entire food groups too. . .


Beef, pork, lamb, duck,

Butter, eggs, full-fat dairy
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Vitamin e is also found in organ meats, egg yolks, and nuts (in addition to vegetable oils and green vegetables).
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The "Government" is the Deptment of Agriculture, author of the infamous "Food Pyramid". Take a look at the base of that pyramid! 'Nuf said.
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