Malnutrition will do that.

I am exceeding all my nutritonal needs. I am not suffering from malnutrition. I think you Quinadal are excessively pessimistic and ill informed about veganism.

No, I face facts. Veganism is an unantural and unhealthy diet for humans. We NEED to eat cholesterol and we NEED B12 from animal sources, not vegan analog sources. I'm pesimistic about eating a diet that will cause malnutrition and birth defects.

Why do you care about what she eats?

Because she's posting that it's a healthy way to eat and somebody might actually believe her and hurt themselves.

It's statements like this that make the real information contained in some of your posts get missed by people put off by the unpleasant, militant tone of many of your posts.

You seem to get such great pleasure out of lobbing nasties, that I just don't see the concern for people incapable of choosing for themselves shining though....

Sorry, Paleoanth, you provided a poor justification for veganism. The fact that some things may be unnatural doesn't justify something else's being unnatural. This is the fallacy of the undistributed middle.

The problem is that traditional vegan rhetoric does claim that veganism is natural and superior and makes a lot of pseudoscientific claims to back up that contention, both in the area of paleoanthropology and biochemestry, all of which are wrong. You yourself pointed out the paleoanthropological fallacy by referring to the expensive tissue hypothesis.

No one cares what Aloethe eats, and no one is objecting to veganism, as long as we understand that veganism is a quasi-religion that is primarily concerned with personal and spiritual purity based on a highly particularistic concept of purity. As such, it has nothing to do with science or health. Veganism has the same relationship to science as creationism does to evolution.

However, another component of vegan rhetoric is the insufferable moral superiority directed at anyone who doesn't share their view of purity, as evinced by the PETA and PCRM crowd, and which Aloethe has shown in her responses to this board. The people on this board are fed up with vegan moral superiority and can be excused if they overreact to specious vegan arguments.

I must have missed the memo. I like a good discussion.

And you seem to get great pleasure showing that you have no sense of humor or understanding of sarcasm.
I have no respect for vegans, since they seem to think they are better than meat eaters.

I just think a constant stream of sarcasm and potshots dilutes your argument. I'm following the thread with interest, and learning a lot. It's amazing the amount a person can learn from the ones who don't feel the need to throw insults to make a point. I guess you're as free to say hateful things about vegans as they are to look down on you for eating meat... even though not ALL vegans do.

Funny the only people in this forum I have found to be antagonistic and intolerant (regarding this particular debate) are the meat eaters. Isn't that a curious thing? Perhaps when one eats a lot of flesh one just naturally rises to a level of surliness and hostility. I have yet to see a vegan post and tell me how awful I am for eating all their tasty animal friends (and yes, they are tasty).

Vegetarianism is not dangerous. It is a dietetic choice based on a variety of personal, well thought out reasons.

Just to note, I did respond to this, but it is on the original thread. Post:

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showpost...00&postcount=78

Unfortunately, the grain-feeding creates an unacceptable fatty acid profile. Not healthy at all.

Oh dear heavens. I give up. You win. Cannibalism is pretty much a Godwin's Law type thing for me.

The exact well from which this thread sprang elludes me, and i don't really want to know anyways....i didn't know the "war zone" was the area that made attacking people's diets on a personal level okay. And to the original poster, sarcasm very often DOESN'T come across internet lines so well. your posts come off as simply mean.
i've known some pretty nice and also healthy vegans in my time. I was under the impression that this is a lowcarb support website; not one in which it is okay to totally bash people's choice of lowcarb diet with a personal attack.