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Old Tue, Aug-10-10, 08:50
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Today, a majority of people who use statins are doing so for primary prevention of heart attacks and strokes. It is this use of statins that has come under recent attack.

"There's a conspiracy of false hope," says Harvard Medical School's Dr. John Abramson, who has cowritten several critiques of statins' rise, including one published in June in the Archives of Internal Medicine. "The public wants an easy way to prevent heart disease, doctors want to reduce their patients' risk of heart disease and drug companies want to maximize the number of people taking their pills to boost their sales and profits."


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In the first of three studies published in the Archives last month, medical researchers found that, contrary to widely held belief, statins do not drive down death rates among those who take them to prevent a first heart attack. A second article cast significant doubt on the influential findings of a 2006 study, called JUPITER, that has driven the expansion of statins' use by healthy people with elevated blood levels of C-reactive protein, a measure of inflammation. A third article suggested potential ethical, clinical and financial conflicts of interest at work in the execution of the JUPITER study and concluded the widely hailed trial was "flawed" and raises "troubling questions concerning the role of commercial sponsors."

"Tens of billions of dollars of revenue for the sponsor over the patent life of the drug were at stake in the JUPITER trial, as well as potentially millions of dollars in royalties for the principal investigator," wrote Dr. Lee Green of the University of Michigan Medical School in an editorial accompanying the trio of studies. "Doubtless, both sponsor and investigative team believe they made their design decisions for the right reasons," Green added. "But social psychology research provides abundant evidence that we human beings both respond strongly to self-interest incentives and firmly believe that we do not."
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Old Tue, Aug-10-10, 09:04
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This is interesting, a statin study not funded by industry.

https://www.statineffects.com/info/
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Old Tue, Aug-10-10, 09:19
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I am completely anti-statin, to the point where family & friends think I'm a nut.

But that's okay...

And your title seems very right to me; people believe in statins. They have said as much to me.
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It's pretty bad when drugs become religion.
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It's pretty bad when drugs become religion.


I'm sure it's because it's a rare person who doesn't know someone who had a heart attack way too young. And when I outline what will give them actual protection, they act horrified, do the Can't live without bread thing, and will flat out tell me they'd rather take a pill.

They don't believe me when I tell them it won't work. They don't want to.
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Old Sat, Aug-21-10, 18:58
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I've tried to educate my folks about statins. My father is mordbidly obese and has early stage congestive heart failure but *no arteriosclerosis* and no remarkable cholesterol issues. He was recently in the Duke cardiology ward for a while and trust me when I say they did every test known to god and man and there is no blockage happening. He's 64.

Today my Mom sends me an IM: does Lipitor cause muscle pain?

*head desk*

I figured they put my *brother* on statins since he (after a lifetime of junk food and soda) just had a double bypass.

But no, someone at the primary care level had randomly written my father a lipitor scrip and he just took it. And then experienced debilitating muscle pain and pain in his shoulders. Sigh.

He's off them now. But this brings up my ongoing stress about the fact that I need to switch primary care providers; I'm one of those people whose numbers look ghastly on paper on LC, and my current doctor is now essentially threatening to withdraw my other meds (all two of them) since I've refused statins.
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Awesome article, I have a friend who is taking statin drugs and still eats like a 6 year old, everything. His blood pressure medication makes him sick and so forth. He sees all the meat and fat I eat and he asks what medication I take. I say none and tell him about Atkins and Keto Diets. He just looks at me as if I have three heads and 12 eyes. People want to believe what they want to believe. Just believe in what your doing.
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I'm one of those people whose numbers look ghastly on paper on LC, and my current doctor is now essentially threatening to withdraw my other meds (all two of them) since I've refused statins.


Incredible! Your doctor's punishing you by refusing to write your other prescriptions? There's something unethical going on here, for sure!
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I agree that sounds incredibly unethical. I'd report that doctor.
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Old Sun, Aug-22-10, 11:13
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I'd both report him and Find a New Doctor.

When they're more interested in their own power trips than the actual patient under their nose, you don't want them near you.
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Old Sun, Aug-22-10, 11:26
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I wrote up the whole fiasco in another thread in this sub forum when it happened. Apparently I'm not alone, either. And yes, I'll be switching providers.

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=411517

I should mention that in the time since I posted that, I've rather become of the opinion that I'd rather not have the meds at all than have to deal with this, but is that really the answer? I have to forfeit access to health care because of the marketing push of one freaking class of drugs?

(this is more to do with a certain pig-headed fine-I'll-do-it-alone facet of my personality than rational thought, I freely admit.)

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