I agree with Dr Davis perspective. I have in fact been living Dr Davis's advice for years, well before his book and well before I knew anything about him. I came to the decision on my own, no doctor, not even Dr Davis, needed. I had no choice but to take control of my own health because nothing doctors were saying was helping me and much of what they were advising me just made things worse. My story is here if anyone is interested:
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=474262
That said I found "Undoctored" difficult to plow through. It's much too wordy. Maybe it reads differently for people who are new to the message.

Jean

What makes it even more evil is that they don't tell people this. Until it is past the correct decision point.

Everyone I know has exclaimed over how they weren't told certain things until it was too late. Which I why I try to research the living posterior off of medical things.

That's actually an issue with a lot of good health books lately. We're so far ahead of the curve.

Go, Dr. Davis, go!

Let me just add in that this is a quite reasonable price. I know many people have this reflexive "things on the Internet should be free! Who is this person trying to SELL me something! I don't trust salespeople!" reaction.

Creating this system required a sizeable investment in many talented people, expensive software, and just keeping it alive on the Web costs money in bandwidth every month.

I donate here for that exact same reason

I went to the website, joined the undoctored inner circle. Was charged the $$. Got an email from cureality where I was also able to log in. However, I'm confused because both sites keep asking me to join and I'm unable to see what memberships tells me I should see.

Anybody else having difficulty navigating the two websites?

I joined too Glenda and had trouble accessing them. What I finally did was log out and then log in again. That did the trick.

Jean

Hmm. Tried that, too. Maybe a different browser?
I guess it will get straight.

Joined because I want to help DH with his AFIB. Also confused about going grain free for him. I saw some discussion of using einkorn for baking on the site. So isn't that a grain? Can we use ancient grain, but not the hybrids? I feel there isn't enough explanation.

I joined simply out of curiosity plus, like WereBear says, I like to support sites that advocate low carb healthy eating.

Jean

On the site, I found reference to the safety of einkorn, the original wheat. There is a company selling the flour, and I have ordered some to make DH's bread. It is my hope that I can help his AFIB without totally disrupting his eating patterns. Currently, I bake all his bread myself, but using regular gluten products.

Do you know of others who've utilized Dr. Davis' AFIB Protocol?

The continuous glucose monitoring Apple Watch sounds intriguing, but am sure will be very expensive. ($20 "smart" phone here ) I'm guessing it will be purchased primarily by the young, affluent, "worried well", but who knows, perhaps it will prevent some incipient disease.

When obsessing about my blood sugar, I also try to keep in mind Dr. Fung's message that it's not so much about blood sugar but insulin resistance. Of course, some assumptions can be made about the correlation, but if a food spikes blood sugar and one is not insulin resistant, then the insulin should take care of it, right? Is the spike then something to be worried about or is it normal physiological response? I said something to my internest/diabetes specialist once about fruit spiking my blood sugar, and he smiled at me like the brainiac he undoubtedly was all his life, and said, "But then it goes back down, doesn't it?". (He fully supported a low carb diet, btw.)



I recall one of Dr. Fung's videos on diabetes, which was obviously a physician inservice over lunch, where when he was discussing fasting and diet, one of the doctors piped up, "If they (the patients) did that, we'd be out of a job", to which someone else replied, "But they won't". Chuckle, chuckles all around. Dr. Fung, of course, just waited a moment and then went one with this presentation.

Sadly, I think the second doctor may be too right when it comes to a sizable portion of the population, perhaps even the majority. People like Dr. Davis with his community of fans, are living in something of a bubble of the inspired, the informed, the inquisitive. Who else is out there and how does anyone reach them? I think it was the book "Diabesity" that described a small town in W. Virginia, I think it was, riddled with diabetics, with whole families losing limbs, going blind, and dying young, who continued to still eat in a fashion where this is all likely. Of course, these are the same communities where they're dropping like flies from opioid overdoses so maybe eating whatever the hell you want and accepting the consequences is just "life".

Opinion.

This is my personal experience with Undoctored Inner Circle.

I want to help DH with his AFIB and so I joined. The first thing is they took 3 months membership cost. The second thing is that the 2 websites one shuttles back and forth between are almost identical, but neither gives the Core Program as far as I've been able to ascertain.

Maybe that's why he calls it the Inner Circle. It leads me around and around without every taking me anywhere.

I do not recommend this to anybody who is serious about becoming undoctored. We in this forum are doing fine without Dr. Davis.

Although I've requested a refund, I don't expect to see my $19.95 again.

This is sickening, but not surprising. They don't care that their patients suffer obesity, neuropathy, amputations, blindness and early death as their profits increase.

I agree ... I found all his various web pages to be confusing and unintuitive so I gave up. I enjoyed and respect his book and found that I was already doing most of the things in his protocol. I've added a few more based on his recommendations like dechlorinating my drinking water and taking a kelp based iodine supplement. I don't need another forum (lowcarbers is the best one, anyway) just reading the book and blog posts is plenty.

I asked our library to buy Undoctored & they did - so I got to be the first person to read it. So far only one other person has read it.

For someone who has read Dr. Bernstein, posts here & at other lchf sites, there wasn't much that was new. But I did appreciate his brief mention of hunger. Too often I've seen people say they are never hungry eating lchf; but I do get hungry - sometimes very much so.

Dr. Davis said that while we get hungry eating lchf, it's not the insane gotta-eat-NOW & gotta-eat-everything-in-sight hunger of the carb addict. I like the distinction. I'm going to have to check the book out again to write down how he said it - it's worth repeating.

I appreciate that statement too as someone who gets hungry eating lchf, just not ravenously hungry. That's an important difference for me. Another thing he said in the book that I appreciate is that less bad is not the same as good (ie exchanging heavily processed grains for whole grains).

I joined the site yesterday and one thing that did impress me is that I noticed when I joined that there was a "meetup" at 1PM yesterday so I figured I would see what it was. It was a live (in real time) interactive discussion with DR Davis via a platform called "Zoom" with both audio and video so you could see who else was there (You could also hide yourself if you did not want to be seen). Dr Davis answered people's questions and brought up a few things on his own. It was interesting. It remains to be seen how useful this feature will be for me but it is something most sites don't provide. He clearly wants to build a community and members can form their own meetup groups for live discussions. I was aware before I joined that the membership was billed quarterly so I knowingly paid the $19.25 for 3 months access without knowing whether I would find it useful. For me I believe so strongly in the Undoctored message that I am hoping this can really turn into some kind of movement to free ourselves from the tyranny of the medical profession. At least I want to support that aim. In other words I am giving the site a chance.

Jean