question..... on the pp when you count your total carbs for the day you also minus the fiber right??
also do you minus sugar alcohol if you have a low carb treat??
this is very interesting i was trying to find a way to speed up atkins a bit and eat a bit healther i was considering the zone but that really seems like alot of figuring out i will have to look more into this pp plan.

This is a great topic, and it seems that many of us are in the same boat.

I started Atkins in January and lost a whopping 2 lbs. Now, I realize that my losses will be slow because I only have 10 to lose (erbadger, our stats are almost identical!), but jeez, something has to give eventually!

I read both PP and PPLP and learned quite a bit about nutrition and supplements that I didn't know before. I have always eaten lots of veggies, did WW for a year, but my carbs also were around 200 per day or higher.

I guess I'm doing PP now - but still not losing pounds OR inches. I also know that I definitely need to watch my calorie intake, which I'm doing. I don't eat LC treats like chocolates or bars. I just don't want that stuff in my system.

I guess with my rambling here I can just say hang in there. No program should be a cookie cutter approach to weight loss, and we all need to tweak things to work for us individually.

I posted a similar question in another thread, but no answer, and you folks seem to know a lot about PP--so hope you don't mind if I ask here.

I did Atkins induction for about a month and lost most of the weight I'd wanted to lose (suspect most of it was water weight, anyway), but what I really need is to lower the amount of fat I carry around my middle. For a relatively small person, I'm not slim (or fit).

Like many of you, I don't want to eat a lot of saturated fats. So my question is this: How much saturated fat is appropriate IN THE LONG HAUL? Now that I'm very near my goal weight, I want to find a good balance among fats/protein/carbs. I have no problem with the idea of eating monounsaturated fats, but the foods that have those fats almost entirely are quite limited (I found, to my surprise, that even extra virgin olive oil has saturated fats).

So for those of you on a moderate mono-fat, lower sat-fat WOE: how many grams of each do you consider healthful for a day's consumption? And what exactly do you eat to keep the mono fats high and the sat fats relatively low?

Thank you!

RoseTattoo,

There may be a problem with your initial assumption: many of us don't want to eat eat a lot of saturated fats. I can't speak for anyone but myself, of course, but I don't regard saturated fats, per se, as evil. In fact, saturated fats play many important roles in the body chemistry.

Here is some other background reading about the roles of saturated fats at the Weston A. Price Foundation site:

• The Oiling of America, part 4 -- Benefits of Animal Fats
• Saturated Fats and the Lungs
• Saturated Fats and the Kidneys

When the real results of the famed Framingham Heart study were published (in an obscure journal), the study director admitted, “...the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower people’s serum cholesterol. . . we found that the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories weighed the least and were the most physically active.”(30) George Mann, formerly with the Framingham project, conducted independent studies of the Masai in Africa,(39) whose diet is extremely rich in cholesterol and saturated fat, and who are virtually free of heart disease. He was convinced that the lipid hypothesis was “the public health diversion of this century. . . the greatest scam in the history of medicine.”40

Raw coconut oil, a wonderful health food, is a saturated fat, and is unlikely to contribute to getting fat. Butterfat contains butyric cid, which has antimicrobial properties—that is, it protects us from viruses, yeasts and pathogenic bacteria in the gut. It does not need to be acted on by the bile salts but is directly absorbed for quick energy. Raw butter is a a great source of vitamins A&D.

Although my balance of carbs, proteins, and fats is unique to me, I strive to get some of each type of fat -- saturated, mono-saturated, and polyunsaturated -- each day.


30 Castelli, William, “Concerning the Possibility of a Nut. . .” Archives of Internal Medicine, Jul 1992, 152: (7):1371-1372
39 Mann, G V, et al, “Atherosclerosis in the Maasai,” Am J Epidemiol, 1972, 95:26-37
40 Coronary Heart Disease, The Dietary Sense and Nonsense, George V Mann, ed, 1993, Veritas Society, London, p 1

Thank you, Acohn. I like the idea of balancing the different types of fats. That seems like a sensible way to eat.

I too have done WW and Aitkins both of which worked for a while but fount it too restrictive on both. I LOVE my Vegs, Fruit, and meat. Can live without bread and in fact bloatedness goes if I don't eat grains and my asthma is much better. SO
I am doing what I think from reading here a version of PPP. If its white dont eat it. If it is processed dont eat it. And if it is made of chemicals remove it from your thoughts. All the push at WW for their brand of foods (all of which are high in chemicals) makes me think that they are just trying to keep everyone from really being healthy. You can be thin and by eating all that stuff be chemically inbalanced. SO from what I have read PP is really a good way to go. I have to get the book from a library if they have it. I live in Australia so may not.
Good Luck All
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