Hi girls (and guys) please post here if you want....
this replaces the previous thread that we had to remove for copyright reasons....which is fine. Please only mention the high fat honeys in here "HFH"

So girls - here we go again.....welcome to the new place, come and play!!!

The guidelines are simple:

• just plug your food into fitday and aim for a % calorie ratio of at least 80% fat, no more than 5% carbs, and no more than 15% protein. If it's off by a little, that's okay.
• Do this for each meal and snack - you can not 'save up' carbs or protein for later in the day. The goal is to make sure you're eating 'ketogenically' all day.
• 'Official' weigh-in days are Mondays. This is optional. You don't have to list your before/after weights. There's no competition.

A Bug Notice For People Using Fitday

Fitday is counting fiber as having calories. This has messed up my ratios. Try it yourself: plug in a ridiculously high amount of psyllium, then watch the percentages jump! So just be aware that if your fat is around 78% and carbs are a little high at 6-8%, they're probably actually right on target. Just something to bear in mind before you chug oil in an effort to go from 79% to 80%.

Meet the High Fat Honeys!

Userid.............Before....Current.........Lost

AFwife............ 198...............193...........5
Akasha............153...............149...........4
Bandito.............135...............130...........5
BawdyWench....154...............152...........2
binki.................147.2............146.2...........1
CindyG.............274
Dagny72...........176.5............172.5...........4
Daisy-Duke.......149...............145.............4
Demi................193................191...........2
EmmaB............264................258...........6
Iowagirl.............152.5.............151.5........1
JACQUIE UK....157................153...........4
Jadefox26.........256................251.2...........5
JamesBlond......145.2
KiwiGal.............132
kristenv.............134...............134...........-
Kristine..............142...............136...........6
mammac-5.........186..............181.5...........4.5
mem2................116.8............110.6...........6.2
misskriss...........150...............147.5...........2.5
MsTwacky.........193
oregano..............238...............232..............6
PilotGal..............193
Quinadal............284.................283...........1
ritamgl...............172.................164...........8
Sophotia............173.5..............169.5.........4
triplemom...........211.7.............211.2..........5

(I'll plug in peoples' current weights on Mondays. If I missed anyone or if there's an error, let me know. - Kristine )

Tips for High Fat Honeys
(don't be scared, you can do this!)

Here are some common questions that are asked regularly about doing a ketogenic diet (I diet which primarily burns fat for energy), I have tried to answer them simply.

What is High Fat Honeys?

HFH is a way of meal planning that can be applied to Atkins, Protein Power, and other low carb plans to acheive ketosis. The body will burn fat more effectively if you cut down on the protein and up the fat. We are basicaly following the simple regimen of:

75%-80% or over Fat for EACH MEAL we eat
15% or lower Protein
5% Carbs for each meal
(under 20 carbs for a daily total)



I don't "get" the math behind HFH!

That's okay, here's another way of looking at it:

Fat has a little more than double of the calories per gram than protein or carbs. The fat in each "meal" you eat should be twice the total protein+carbs.

Let's say that you have a protein shake w/ 15g protein, 3g carbs, and 0g of fat.

The protein+carbs=18g
You need to double that number to get your fat grams=18x2=36g

How can you get about 36g of fat?

You can drink 3 TBSP of flax seed oil. That's 42g of fat.
You can drink 8 TBSP of heavy cream. That's 40g of fat

I want to keep my calories down. All this fat is driving them up! How can I do it?

Most say don't count calories. However, if you are concerned, start with a small amount of protein. Add fat like this:

If you are eating 10g of protein, figure 20g of fat
If you are eating 15g of protein, figure 30g of fat
If you are eating 20g of protein, figure 40g of fat

If your meals include carbs, add a bit more fat to your totals.

I would advise: do not go above 3 ounces of protein per meal or your fat will SKYROCKET and your calories will go way up. This is advice only for those of you who are concerned with counting calories.

I am not a cook. Can I still do a ketogenic diet?

I am not a cook either. Here are several fat burning friendly meals.

drink a 15g protein, 1g carb protien shake with
2.5 TBSP flaxseed oil
or
mix 1 cup of yocheese
with 1/4 cup heavy whipping cream
or
mix 1 packet of tuna fish (19g protein) or 3oz chicken (22g protein)
with 3 TBSP mayo
or
eat 2 oz summer sausage w/ 1 oz Havarti cheese and fancy Greek black olives
or
1/4 cup of pecans with 1oz of cheddar cheese
or
cream cheese mixed with sour cream and heavy cream and stevia (that's as close to cooking as I get!)
or
14 pepperoni slices and an oz of Havarti cheese

I need an easy way to add fat to my meals.

Here you go, Easy Fat Adds:
(check your products for exact counts)

5g of fat=1 TBSP whipping cream
6g of fat=2 TBSP sour cream
10g fat=1 oz of cream cheese
11g fat=1 TBSP butter
14g fat=1 TBSP mayo, 2 TBSP blue cheese dressing, 1 TBSP olive oil, 1 TBSP flax seed oil
22g fat=1/4 cup of pecans

I just got invited out to dinner. What do I eat at a restaurant?

Watch the protein. Many restaurants will serve you a 6oz piece of chicken or a huge piece of steak.

Up the fat.

Think: small amount of protein, high amount of fat.

Be careful with dressing. Many ranch dressings are loaded with carbs as well as fat. The best bet is a blue cheese or Caesar dressing.

Go for things such as:
Grilled chicken salad with extra blue cheese dressing
Grilled shrimp dipped in butter
Chicken breast dipped in mayo

Remember, on this plan, even if you have a bad HFH day, you still have a good Atkins day!

WOO HOO a new challenge.

I'm in with ya doll.

WE CAN DO IT!

Come on you guys from the old thread, join Jadefox and me in this challenge.

WE ARE GONNA SHED THESE PESKY POUNDS TOGETHER!


I've got my name on the list, add yours in alpha order:

AFwife: 198.....
Jadefox26.... (Emma add your weight)

LET'S GET THIS LIST GOING FOLKS AND LETS MOVE IT TO LOSE IT! WOO HOO!

AFwife: 198.....
Jadefox26: 252.5.....

AFwife: 198.....
Jadefox26: 252.5.....
Demi: 193


Hoping that number will be down tomorrow (official weigh day for me)

Will be back later to post yesterday's food etc.

Ah, it's always refreshing moving into a new home! What colour shall we paint the walls and can I pick out some new curtains?

AFwife: 198.....
Jadefox26: 252.5.....
Demi: 193
EmmaB: 264

Here's mine for 14 Nov:

B: 2/3 of a 3 minute chocolate cake w/ 2 tbsp cream, coffee w/ 2 tbsp cream (85/4/10)
L: 1 deviled egg, 2/3 cup salad w/ 1 tbsp ranch (83/5/13)
S: 2 1/2 oz cabanossi (78/2/20)
D: (out) 1/2 cup chicken yellow curry, 1/2 cup beef & veg satay
Des: 1 oz Castello (Danish white mould cheese) (86/1/14)
Late "snack": Cream, cocoa, splenda & macadamia nut butter

Not a hope of working out ratios for dinner since we were out at a thai restaurant. Had the cheese when I got home to bump up the fat a notch. I was doing really well today, came in around 1800 cals ... until late at night when the evil inside me compelled me to make up a big "snack". I really don't get that at all ... maybe I couldn't really accept that my cals were at a relatively low level for the day ... maybe I was just really bored this evening. Maybe I should stop worrying about cals! <-- I think that's the best advice at this stage.

Very approximate stats:
Total: 2232
Fat: 205 1848 82%
Carbs: 40 104 5%
Fiber: 15 0 0%
Protein: 75 300 13%

Good morning! I was horrified last night when I saw all the threads had been vaporized. Hope people saved all the recipes.

I'm going to an event where there will be concession stands to eat from. I'm smuggling macadamia nuts and a hunk of sausage...

Morning "honeys"!!
Bad weigh in day today, back up to 134. I don't think it has anything to do with the change in diet, but rather I had to go back on BC pills 2weeks ago (no periods for 5 months after dcing them, all my hormones levels came back low etc) so LOGICALLY I know it is probably water weight, but it stinks because it took me months to lose these few lbs in the first place. Also, struggling with eating more made it to 1650 yesterday 81% fat, than felt guilty etc.

I am going to try to keep up the calories and fat% for the next 2 weeks but I am really bothered by the increase on the scale.

Hope your all of your days are going well!!!
Kristen

Well, for all the good it did me yesterday Emma, I came in at 1777 cals which is the lowest yet, and I put on weight!!!! Now I know it's TOM for me, and I am bloated, but I am still really pig sick at being up by 1.5lbs!! Never mind, maybe today if I'm good and eat a ton of fat it'll be back down.

What with the vaporisation of the last thread, my PMT, horrid kids and feeling l wanna cry all the time - I am a complete mess - 252.5 on the scale tomorow would be really good - less than that would be fantastic!

Good luck for the weigh in girls tomorow - can't wait to see what happens for everyone!!
xx

Stopping by again to wish you ladies luck.

"RED TAPE is so hard to cut, especially when you don't have a pair of scissors"

Note to my angel Jade:
Jade....."great things can sometimes have a terrible time getting off the ground"..........ask the Wright Brothers!!

GOOD LUCK LADIES
MUCH SUCCESS TO YOU ALL

Charlie

Hi honey - please stick with it for just two weeks. Like i said before, to go off of plan or to adjust anything else (cals or fat down) in those first two weeks will mean you're not giving HFH a good chance to work.

Apparently it is common for peoples weight to fluctuate wildly. I know my friend goes up and down like a yo-yo - sometimes especially at TOM she can gain anything from 4lb - 10lb, and she regularly gains and loses during other times of the month too.....she has been on this HFH WOL for 4 months and lost just under 40lbs in that time. But she has nearly come off of it - especially in the early days because she was TERRIFIED that it wasn't going to work! (NB I do realise that her weight loss has been fantastic and that not everyone will follow that same decline in numbers but it's just an example of how if done right, this can work)

If you stick with it, and make sure you are keeping to the 80%/15%/05% ratios then there's no reason for you not to see some loss in the first two weeks.

make sure you ALL measure too - because her measurements have come down too....and I have noticed I can get my pants off without undoing them now - regardless of the 1.5lb I have put back on from my lowest loss on HFH.

I am in constant keytosis too which has never happened on Atkins.

I think Becki has proven a good point too - I mean HOW thin was she before she started - and HOW much thinner is she now?? LOL In all seriousness though, Beck - who was at her goal weight could even lose on this WOE - so I'm sure if she can anyone can.

Good luck girls - we can do this!!

Also - if i get to the end of the first month and realise that i am up on the scale (quake) or that I have lost neither weight nor inches in that time, then I will look at other options too - so I'm not claming that my way is the best way, but I AM asking all of you to have some faith and give it a damn good go before you make any other decisions.

Well my honeys - I am both mentally and physically exhausted, so I must go off line for a while to gether my thoughts - see you all later!
Love you all
xxx

yep, curtains are all your domain....anyone else feel like helping re-decorate??

Here's what I ate yesterday:

B: Cheese and Frankfurter Omelette (cooked in goose fat ) - 2.56
L: Boursin with celery - 3.31
D: Butter chicken with green beans with garlic butter, glass of red wine (2.21), chocolate cheesecake with thick double cream (3.48) - 2.42 combined total

Total: 2349
Fat: 199 1791 76%
Sat: 3 28 1%
Poly: 1 12 1%
Mono: 4 34 1%
Carbs: 16 65 3%
Fiber: 0 0 0%
Protein: 102 409 17%
Alcohol: 12 85 4%

Although I'm still within the ketogenic fat range (above 75% fat), I'm rather disappointed that yesterday's fat total was only 76% - it was 80% until I added in the wine - bugger

Had friends for dinner last night, made Butter Chicken - the originally recipe was posted in the recipe forum by Natrushka. However, my version is slightly different, and has been adapted to bring the fat content up - here's my new version if anyone is interested:


Butter Chicken

Makes 4 - 6 servings

2 lbs / 900g chicken thighs, cubed
1 tsp ground ginger
4 fl oz / 100 ml plain natural yoghurt
8 oz / 110g butter
1 tsp mixed spice
1 tsp garam masala
6 cardamom pods
1 bay leaf
¼ tsp saffron, crushed
4 fl oz / 100 ml sour cream
8 fl oz / 100 ml cream
2 oz / 50g ground almonds

Mix together the yoghurt and ginger in a large bowl and add the chicken. Make sure the chicken is well-coated and then cover and leave to marinate overnight in the fridge.

When ready to cook, put the chicken pieces and marinade in a pre-heated oven (350°/180°C/Gas 4) and bake for 50-60 minutes.

When cooked, remove from the oven and place to one side. In the meantime, melt the butter in a large pan and then fry the mixed spice, garam masala, cardamom pods and bay leaf for 1 minute.

Add the sour cream, cream, any liquid from the cooked chicken, and the crushed saffron. Mix well, and then cover and simmer gently for 5 - 6 minutes. Add the chicken along with the ground almonds. Cover again and simmer for 5 minutes.

Remove bay leaf and serve.

According to Fitday, each serving contains:
4 servings: 965 cals / 77.25g fat / 63.5g protein / 5.25 carbs
6 servings: 643 cals / 51.46g fat / 42.3g protein / 3.5g carbs
KI = 2.08


Official weigh day tomorrow - fingers crossed