Atkins Corporation responds to AtkinsFacts.org : Low-Carb War Zone Forum : Active Low-Carber Forums

#46 ^

Wed, Oct-27-04, 10:38

mrfreddy

Senior Member

Posts: 761

Plan: common sense low carb
Stats: 221/190/175 Male 6 feet

BF:27/13/10??
Progress: 67%

Location: New York City

I found this info on Cornell's Nutrition 200 course, as you can see, it's a course on vegetarian nutrition, so it makes sense that Dr. Gregor could be involved.

However, as you can also see, the course is apparently taught by T.C. Cambell. Perhaps Dr. Gregor is some sort of TA or just a guest speaker? It does seem that, at the very least, he is intentionally misrepresenting his role....

http://nutrition.cornell.edu/course/ns200.html

NS 200 - Vegetarian Nutrition: An Introduction

Spring. 3 credits. S-U grades optional. Prerequisite: NS 115 advised but not essential. TBA. T. C. Campbell.

This introductory course surveys vegetarianism from a variety of nutrition and health considerations. The material to be presented and discussed primarily includes the empirical scientific evidence presented for easy comprehension for students without nutrition training. The course also considers the historical and sociocultural roots, both ancient and of more recent times, that have led to the growing interest in, and acceptance of, this type of dietary practice. Particular attention is given to the role of vegetarianism in the prevention and reversal of chronic degenerative diseases. Special topics on competitive sport, childhood nutrition, food preparation, and dietary transition are offered. Internationally known guest speakers provide six to eight of the lectures.

Sponsored Links

#47 ^

Wed, Oct-27-04, 10:40

mrfreddy

Senior Member

Posts: 761

Plan: common sense low carb
Stats: 221/190/175 Male 6 feet

BF:27/13/10??
Progress: 67%

Location: New York City

Here is the guy that apprently actually teaches this course, TC Cambell...

http://www.human.cornell.edu/facult....cfm?netid=tcc1

T. Colin Campbell

Browse DNS Faculty
previous DNS Faculty Directory next

Campbell Pic

Emeritus Jacob Gould Schurman Professor, DNS

308 Savage Hall

Phone: (607) 255-2669
Fax: (607) 255-1033

tcc1~cornell.edu

Current Professional Activities
Cornell Graduate Field Membership:Nutrition; Environmental Toxicology

Current Research Activities
Interpreting diet and chronic disease etiology using information on both experimental animals and humans.

Selected Publications / Books
Hu, J.-F., Cheng, Z., Chisari, F. V., Vu, T. H., Hoffman, A. R., and Campbell, T. C. (1997) Repression of hepatitis B virus (HBV) transgene and HBV-induced liver injury by low protein diet. Oncogene 15:2795–2801.

Campbell, T. C., and Chen, J. (1994) Diet and chronic degenerative diseases: Perspectives from China. Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 59:1153S–1161S.

Campbell, T.C., Chen, J., Brun, T., Parpia, B., Qu, Y., Chen, C., and Geissler, C. China: From diseases of poverty to diseases of affluence: Policy implications of the epidemiological transition. Ecol. Food Nutr. 27:133-144, 1992

Youngman, L. D., and Campbell, T. C. (1992) Inhibition of aflatoxin B1-induced gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase positive (GGT+) hepatic preneoplastic foci and tumors by low protein diets: Evidence that altered GGT+ foci indicate neoplastic potential. Carcinogenesis 13:1607–1613.

Campbell, C., Chen, J., Liu, C., Li, J., and Parpia, B. Non-association of aflatoxin with primary liver cancer in a cross-sectional ecologic survey in the People's Republic of China. Cancer Res. 50:6882-6893, 1990

Courses Taught

* NS200 - Vegetarian Nutrition: An Introduction

Education

* PhD 1962 - Cornell University
Animal nutrition
* MS 1957 - Cornell University
Animal nutrition
* BS 1956 - Pennsylvania State University/University of Georgia Veterinary School
Preveterinary medicine

#48 ^

Wed, Oct-27-04, 10:55

Quinadal

Registered Member

Posts: 596

Plan: HFH
Stats: 297/291/200 Female 65 inches

BF:
Progress: 6%

Location: Florida, USA

Am I reading that right? TC Campbell has a PhD and MS in ANIMAL nutrition and a BS in VETRINARY medicine??? How does that qualify him to teach about HUMAN nutrition?

#49 ^

Wed, Oct-27-04, 11:00

kyrasdad

Senior Member

Posts: 3,060

Plan: Atkins
Stats: 338/253/210 Male 5'11"

BF:
Progress: 66%

Location: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma

On this page, which supplies every name of every member of Cornell's Nutritional Sciences Department, "Dr." Greger cannot be found.

http://www.nutrition.cornell.edu/faculty/fac.html

I put the "Dr." in quotations because it's clear that if he'd lie about being on the Cornell faculty, he might lie about his other qualifications.

Mr. Greger: at best, you're misrepresenting yourself, your position at Cornell (you are definitely a student, not a faculty member), and your qualifications.

This, coupled with your religious convictions, tends to undermine the rest of what you;re trying to sell us.

#50 ^

Wed, Oct-27-04, 11:19

Grimalkin

Senior Member

Posts: 741

Plan: PP
Stats: 160/149/125 Female 66 in.

BF:
Progress: 31%

Dr. Gregor's website: http://www.veganmd.org/

Quote:

Michael Greger, M.D. is a physician, a prize-winning cook, and an internationally recognized speaker on a number of important public health and social justice issues. Dr. Greger has been invited to lecture at countless universities, medical schools and conferences around the world, including the Conference on World Affairs and the World Vegetarian Congress. This semester he is also teaching part of Dr. T. Colin Campbell's Vegetarian Nutrition course at Cornell University.

As Farm Sanctuary's Chief Medical Investigator, Dr. Greger debated the National Cattlemen's Beef Association Director before the FDA and was invited as an expert witness to defend Oprah Winfrey in the infamous "meat defamation trial." Dr. Greger was recently featured on the Healthy Living Channel promoting one of his DVD's.

Dr. Greger is a general practitioner specializing in vegetarian nutrition and a founding member of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine...

etc., etc.

#51 ^

Wed, Oct-27-04, 11:43

ItsTheWooo ItsTheWooo is offline

Registered Member

Posts: 4,815

Plan: My Own
Stats: 280/118/117.5 Female 5ft 5.25 in

BF:
Progress: 100%

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyrasdad

A quick search of the Cornell website, www.cornell.edu has yielded the fact that Dr. Greger is "coming" for a speech to the local vegan group...

http://www.rso.cornell.edu/ccad

(Page has stuff like the group meeting up to protest a circus, Peta stuff) It says:

"Dr. Michael Greger will be coming to speak on the Atkins diet in a talk which is refered to on his website as "Atkins Diet: Sorting Fact from Fad." We will need to publicize this heavily. The date is October 28th at 5PM. It is tentatively located in Goldwin Smith auditorium D. We will start publicizing the event about two weeks in advance of the 28th."

What it doesn't say is if Dr. Greger is on staff. given that academia can be home to lots of radical people, I wouldn't find it surprising that he is. Given his dishonest approach here, I would not be shocked if he were spoofing it.

However, this page:

http://www.cornell.edu/search/index...ichael%20Greger

Indicates that Michael is a student rather than a professor, and that the email address mhg1~cornell.edu is routed to an earthlink account. Michael Greger is certainly involved at some level with Cornell, but there is no guarantee based on these items that he is a professor.

This page,

http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/fst/faculty/

...does not list him with the food sciences faculty.

Jury's out, doc. Can you prove you are who you say you are?

Here is a copy of the letter I recieved from the lowcarb.com recipe exchange mailing list, regarding the doctor's abuse/misrepresentation of his affiliation with Cornell:

Quote:

It seems the good doctor is NOT so legit after all. Or at the very least,
his emails to US were not legit. This is the response I got when I forwarded
the email to Cornell University.

Subj: Re: Fwd: [Low_Carb_Living] The Atkins Corporation responds to
AtkinsFacts.org
Date: 10/21/2004 3:04:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: ma15~nmc.cit.cornell.edu
Reply-to: abuse~cornell.edu
To: WildAngel6~aol.com
CC: abuse~cornell.edu
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Thank you for reporting these 4 incidents.

Cornell University does not have any authority or jurisdiction with regard
to E-mail that does not originate from Cornell University. All 4 incidents
seem
to have come from someoneone at 4.157.53.79 and they have spoofed the Cornell
address.

You do have an option to file a complaint with the internet service provider
where
the message originated. For assistance determining who the originating
Internet
Service Provider is, please see the following URL:

http://www.cit.cornell.edu/computer...port-other.html

If the unsolicited E-mail you received has a negative impact on you, such as
feeling
harassed or threatened, you also have the option of calling your local police

department to file a complaint.

Thank you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Reply-to: abuse~cornell.edu
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853
607-255-9900

This letter is what a member of the list received when she fowarded the spam to the abuse department at Cornell. At the very least, Dr. Greger is acting totally independent on behalf of his status at Cornell (ie if he is a professional affiliated with Cornell, what he is doing here is not part of it). At the worst, Dr. Greger is totally and completely unaffiliated with Cornell other than as a student from years ago, and is merely holding on to the address to make his religion look scientific and professional.

Either way, it's plainly obvious he is hiding behind the cornell.edu address (spoofing it) to give his vegan religion an air of credit and authority. In reality he is not posting from cornell, nor is he actually using the address, nor is cornell affiliated with any of this.

#52 ^

Sat, Oct-30-04, 17:53

caligrrl

Senior Member

Posts: 335

Plan: Atkins
Stats: 260/213/199 Female 67 inches

BF:
Progress: 77%

Location: San Francisco

I went to Cornell, and all alumni get those addresses. So he may have been a student there in the past, and not be affiliated with them now. You give them your email address and they route messages from the Cornell address to yours, they are all routed like that. You're not actually on a Cornell server when you use them.

Last edited by caligrrl : Sat, Oct-30-04 at 18:43.

#53 ^

Sat, Oct-30-04, 18:11

caligrrl

Senior Member

Posts: 335

Plan: Atkins
Stats: 260/213/199 Female 67 inches

BF:
Progress: 77%

Location: San Francisco

The facts on Dr. Greger from the Massachusets Medical Board:

http://www.massmedboard.org/
Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine Physician Profile

MICHAEL H GREGER MD
License Status: Active
Business Address: None Reported
Hospital Affiliations: None Reported
Medical School: Tufts University School of Medicine
Graduation Date: 1999
Post Graduate Training: 7/1/1999-7/1/2000 - LEMUEL SHATTUCK HOSPITAL - INTERN
Area of Specialty: General Practice
ABMS Board Certification: Not Board Certified

So... for those of you not familiar with the medical profession: he went to medical school, but has not completed his residency training, and is not board certified in any specialty. You need 3 years of reisdency training to work unrestricted as an M.D. and he has only done one. This is unusual- he may have quit to pursue a career other than as a physician, or be pursuing a PhD, he may have been fired, we have no way of knowing.

#54 ^

Thu, Nov-25-04, 20:09

AtkinsBOY1 AtkinsBOY1 is offline

Registered Member

Posts: 82

Plan: ATKINS ALL THE WAY
Stats: 240/155/155 Male 5ft 8inches

BF:
Progress:

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrGreger

The Atkins Corporation is threatening to sue me for "defaming" Atkins on my website http://www.AtkinsFacts.org. I will not be bullied into silence by their corporate lawyers.

I've posted their threatening letter in full for all to see along with a point-by-point rebuttal at http://www.atkinsexposed.org/atkins...rate_Threat.htm

Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. in their 6-page letter failed, after presumably combing through the 500+ references supporting AtkinsFacts.org, to find a single factual error. Instead, in making vague groundless accusations, they further misinterpret, mislabel and misrepresent studies, rely on outdated, unpublished preliminary data, and continue to make false and misleading statements.

For example:

* I am accused of making "misleading" assertions about the health risks associated with saturated fat, yet their own Director of Education and Research claims saturated fat has a "heart-healthy role" by citing the "well-known Framingham Nurses' Study." It may be well known to directors of education and research at the Atkins Corporation, but in reality... it doesn't exist. She must be thinking of the Framingham Heart Study, or maybe the Harvard Nurses' Study. Either way, I show that she's wrong.

* Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. claims their diet could prevent breast cancer, asserting that there is no link between saturated fat and breast cancer risk, by citing two papers--one that doesn't address the issue and another that directly contradicts their position!

* To argue that there is no link between meat and colon cancer they rely on preliminary, unpublished data from a single investigation they heard about at a meeting that took place years ago. That would be bad enough, if it weren't for the fact that they even misrepresented that data.

* They accuse me of ignoring the "overwhelming weight of evidence" evidently consisting of "no less than 34 studies" supporting the safety and efficacy of their diet. I go through all their studies, pointing out that most were published by Atkins-funded researchers, some in an "authoritative, peer-reviewed" journal founded by an Atkins spokesman and a quarter weren't even published at all.

Please feel free to read the best defense the Atkins Corporation could come up with to try to counter the truth and make up your own mind,

-Michael Greger, M.D.
http://www.AtkinsExposed.org
mhg1~cornell.edu
(206) 312-8640
185 South St #6
Boston, MA 02130

First of all get a life. And stop being so annoying.