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Old Fri, Oct-30-09, 15:58
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I used the personal pronoun ("I"/"my") throughout the paragraph... guess that wasn't good enough?

It wasn't. Thank you for understanding that.
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Old Fri, Oct-30-09, 16:01
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There is a lot of uncertainty on the subject in general, but none whatever about very low calories or VLC over extended periods causing a rT3 problem.
I'm not at all certain that extended VLC always, or even usually, causes metabolic problems. Where did you get that?
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Old Fri, Oct-30-09, 16:21
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I'm not at all certain that extended VLC always, or even usually, causes metabolic problems.

I never said that extended VLC always or even usually causes "metabolic problems." [whatever those might be]

I was very specific in my comments, which was that extended VLC may cause (and has been demonstrated to cause) in some people a specific T4/T3 problem, to wit: that T4 converts not to the metabolically active T3, but to the metabolically inactive rT3.

I also opined that upon further study of the newly discovered gene (which affects about 16% of the population) that also does this, it is my belief that the following may be found [please note the use of the word 'may' rather than the word 'will']:

-- Women are more likely to have it than men.
-- It's expression (on, vs. off) may well be triggered via epigenetics by extended VLC or extended very low calorie intake the way high carb intake is now believed to be an epigenetic expression trigger for a multitude of some very bad genes indeed. And even for bacteria like the one that causes ulcers.

Obviously, only more study will provide the answers to this.

Lisa
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Old Fri, Oct-30-09, 16:53
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I started taking Cytomel(T3) and Glucophage(Metformin) 3 days ago and already my temperature has gone from 96.5 to 98.4. This morning I was more awake than I can remember. I now feel the need to move, I just feel great all around. Plus as a bonus I have lost 2 pounds already. I would not be surprised if a very good deal of people have the same rT3 problem, particularly people who became really obese. I believe ALL of the people in the later category should use T3 to rectify their metabolic issues before even thinking about trying to lose or even maintain their weight.

Patrick
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