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Old Mon, Feb-09-04, 07:44
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Kay3osu, How did you find out?

The way I understand it, we process fuel quickly, so we need heavier protein and fat in order to sustain our energy.

I'm only learning, so consult the experts for the details. By the way, I would GUESS (again, I'm not an expert) that there are probably more of us than there are the other types.

I only have the Wolcott/Fahey book, but I'd like to eventually obtain the others.

I quickly looked at Kents links and do not for a moment doubt his or his wife's success.

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Old Mon, Feb-09-04, 09:31
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I belong to another forum in which many, if not most of the members are anti low-carb. They claim to have had their health damaged by Atkins and similar, and see it as their mission to prevent others from being harmed by this "evil." Who am I to doubt them...and who am I to doubt those who maintain that low-carb has been the answer? Rather, I think BOTH are guilty of making "blanket" statements like, "it didn't work for ME, so that means it is bad for everybody." Sorry, that's just too narrow-minded for me!


I can easily understand their comments that the Atkins' diet damaged their health. They are LIARS, and they have a good motive for lying. They are religious vegetarians. I visited Dr. Andrew Weil's message board for years reading all their nonsense. If you want to see some really sick people (both mentally and physically) visit the "Health Conditions" section of Dr. Weil's message board. They attack Atkins because of the red meat issue. Remember, we are talking about eating their reincarnated grandmother. To them eating animals is a very serious issue. They will propagate any lie in hopes of turning people away from eating animals. They have no interest in truth.

In my first post on Dr. Weil's board several years ago I stated that eating lots of red meat and saturated fats gave me awesome health, which it certainly did. The board went ballistic, which reminds me. Where are the 36,000 low-carbers to challenge the stupid "Metabolic Typing" nonsense in this thread?

Animal Rights Terrorists Strike Again?

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Old Mon, Feb-09-04, 09:49
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I am a carb addict on CAD...


OK Zuleidaa, tell us the truth. You tested "protein type" on the Metabolic Typing Diet test after you were already convinced the high-carbohydrate diet was unhealthy, right?

You see, that is the reason the Metabolic Typing Diet is a fraud and a scam. One can easily see by the question what type they will score. Obese carbohydate addicts will always test "carbohydrate type" by the test unless they have been turned away from the high-carbohydrate diet previously. They are obese and carbohydrate addicts because the carbs make them feel better.

The same can be said for hypoglycemics. They get initial horribly bad reactions to low-carb because of their inability to correct blood sugar properly. They would certainly never test "protein type" on the Metabolic Typing Diet. They also feel an exhilarating boost from the blood glucose surge upon eating carbohydrates. They also feel they must nibble complex carbs all day long in order to feel "good." They always test "carbohydrate type" in the Metabolic Typing Diet but that diet is what caused their hypoglycemia and will lead to their early demise.

Zuleidaa, I am shocked that you are promoting this Metabolic Typing Diet while claiming you are a carbohydrate addict yourself and following the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet. You could easily steer a new comer from this low-carb board into a life on a high-carbohydrate diet that ends in misery and disease. Shame.

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Old Mon, Feb-09-04, 23:03
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OK Zuleidaa, tell us the truth. You tested "protein type" on the Metabolic Typing Diet test after you were already convinced the high-carbohydrate diet was unhealthy, right?

You see, that is the reason the Metabolic Typing Diet is a fraud and a scam. One can easily see by the question what type they will score. Obese carbohydate addicts will always test "carbohydrate type" by the test unless they have been turned away from the high-carbohydrate diet previously. They are obese and carbohydrate addicts because the carbs make them feel better.

The same can be said for hypoglycemics. They get initial horribly bad reactions to low-carb because of their inability to correct blood sugar properly. They would certainly never test "protein type" on the Metabolic Typing Diet. They also feel an exhilarating boost from the blood glucose surge upon eating carbohydrates. They also feel they must nibble complex carbs all day long in order to feel "good." They always test "carbohydrate type" in the Metabolic Typing Diet but that diet is what caused their hypoglycemia and will lead to their early demise.

Zuleidaa, I am shocked that you are promoting this Metabolic Typing Diet while claiming you are a carbohydrate addict yourself and following the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet. You could easily steer a new comer from this low-carb board into a life on a high-carbohydrate diet that ends in misery and disease. Shame.

Kent

Very interesting, Kent.

You say hypoglycemics have an especially adverse reaction to LC diets at first, and pre-LC they tended to nibble on carbs all day.

When I first started LC I felt *absolutely terrible*, and it wasn't sugar addict withdrawl symptoms (you know the "three day sickness" most people get on atkins). I was nauseaus all the time, the thought of eating made me sick. I litterally thought I was going to throw up when I would eat. This feeling lasted the entire induction and gradually stopped.
Pre-LC I would eat literally all day long. I ate tons of fruit and fruit/sugar drinks all day. When in a position where I was not permitted to snack all day long, I would get symptoms of what I now recognize as severe hypoglycemia.

I've never taken the metabolic typing test so I can't say whether or not I would test as a carb protein or mixed type, but I must say that your descriptions of people prone to hypoglycemia taking awhile to settle into LC fits me to a T.
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I was nauseaus all the time, the thought of eating made me sick. I litterally thought I was going to throw up when I would eat. This feeling lasted the entire induction and gradually stopped.


When I started Atkins induction, I had the "3 day syndrome," but after that stopped I developed constant nausea, especially during and just after eating. I could hardly even look at food. This lasted until I got up to 30 carbs/day, and then it went away as mysteriously as it had come.

However, pre-LC I never grazed and I didn't have a sweet tooth to speak of. I only ate at mealtimes--sometimes I ate too much, to be sure--but never between. In fact, I would not be hungry when I woke up and could go many hours without hunger or eating. Even now, on a Targeted Keto Diet, I am rarely hungry in the morning and must force myself to eat my assigned breakfast. (I know from experience that I feel much better all day if I eat properly in the AM, whether I'm hungry or not.)

I don't know what type I would have tested out as.

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In my first post on Dr. Weil's board several years ago I stated that eating lots of red meat and saturated fats gave me awesome health, which it certainly did. The board went ballistic, which reminds me. Where are the 36,000 low-carbers to challenge the stupid "Metabolic Typing" nonsense in this thread?


Many here ignore the War Zone, since it's mostly a place for none low-carbers to present their case. However, issues like blood-type, metabolic type or any "typism" issues cannot be easily addressed, as they have no scientific basis, just someone's assertion that it is so, period. Hard to argue with that on any meaningful level.

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Old Mon, Feb-09-04, 10:05
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The following is an interesting quote from the book review section on Amazon.com for "The Metabolic Typing Diet" written by William Linz Wolcott and Trish Fahey.

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January 15, 2004
Reviewer: A reader from BC Canada
Found the quote below on Dr. Kelly's website. Would anyone like to comment?

"In the mid 1980's Mr. William L. Wolcott found a paperback edition of Dr. Watson's Nutrition and Your Mind. At the time Mr. Wolcott was an employee being trained by Dr. Kelley. Wolcott was unable to comprehend the Kelley Metabolic Typing Paradigm, his employment was terminated. Wolcott then appropriated Dr.Kelley's copyright name of "Metabolic Types." Wolcott furthermore produced a most defective nutritional program marketing it through Dr. Kelley's trained Physicians and Technicians. Nutritional Programs being promoted from Watson to William L. Wolcott and Dr. Harold J. Kristal, D.D.S. and a multitude of other con-artist are defective to their very core.

Like so many other establishment frauds, these creatures have tried to change the definition and meaning of Metabolic Typing originally developed and established by Dr. Kelley. Because of their limited mental capacities they cannot comprehend the total parameters of Metabolic Typing. These gentlemen want to rename and limit Metabolic Typing as Fast and Slow oxidation, which is a gross error."

at http://www.drkelley.info/articles/archive.php?artid=320



However, I must add that I believe Dr. Kelley's Metabolic Typing theories to be a bunch of nonsense also.

Kent

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Old Tue, Apr-27-04, 18:45
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I see people who eat anything they want and never gain or have problems. The healthiest people are those that work hard and eat a variety. That is what the body was intended for, motion, movement. And foods mostly in their raw unrefined state. In western culture several generations have consumed a good bit of frankenfoods and I feel this has had a domino effect to the next generation. our bodies are not sure what to do anymore. Hormones come in from meats, chemicals rain down from the sky. And other cultures live on vegtables, rice and some lean meats with longevity. So who has all the answers. Go ask God, he created us and he knows best how to maintain that which he created. He has given us herbs, fruits,vegtables and animals. labor 6 days rest one. He did not say sit at computer, sit watch TV, sit at your desk. These are all things we have done to ourself and now have to adjust to our lazy lifestyle.
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