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Here's a good zero carb read....


Interesting, I guess. I feel sorry for the guy, if his conditions were as he said, but that's about all I can muster up on his behalf. I don't see eye to eye with him on ZC. What he eats, I won't. I eat plain ole ordinary Walmart fresh meat & some canned fish. Besides, he's a bit over-the-top in some ways. For instance, how do one's teeth rot from the inside out? And how do you know if that is going on? Does he have Superman's eyes so he can see inside his teeth??!!
mo

PS: I like the website where this interview appears. I tend to read & follow those who've been ZC for a few years, who do basic ZC as I understand it = meat+water, & who are doing ZC for health AS WELL AS weight loss, since that's my focus in ZC as well.

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Interesting, I guess. I feel sorry for the guy, if his conditions were as he said, but that's about all I can muster up on his behalf. I don't see eye to eye with him on ZC. What he eats, I won't. I eat plain ole ordinary Walmart fresh meat & some canned fish. Besides, he's a bit over-the-top in some ways. For instance, how do one's teeth rot from the inside out? And how do you know if that is going on? Does he have Superman's eyes so he can see inside his teeth??!!
mo

PS: I like the website where this interview appears. I tend to read & follow those who've been ZC for a few years, who do basic ZC as I understand it = meat+water, & who are doing ZC for health AS WELL AS weight loss, since that's my focus in ZC as well.


Mo ~

I totally agree with you on this! I thought he was a bit over the top too! But he seems to suffer from food that doesn't settle with him. Odd, but I am finding that ZC is way easier on my digestion than what I was eating before.

I'm early in on ZC (beginning day 8). One of the benefits I am finding with ZC is that it is easy to eat this way. ZC = simple.

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Mo ~

I totally agree with you on this! I thought he was a bit over the top too! But he seems to suffer from food that doesn't settle with him. Odd, but I am finding that ZC is way easier on my digestion than what I was eating before.

I'm early in on ZC (beginning day 8). One of the benefits I am finding with ZC is that it is easy to eat this way. ZC = simple.

Karrie


I'm not very far ahead of you in living ZC, Karrie. Just since 7 December. ZC=simple ... indeed! Good to hear from you. mo
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I remain 100% meatarian -- a former vegetarian who eats only meat+fat. Yes, 100% ZC all the way. I switched from LC to ZC on Pearl Harbor Day 2015. I'm now into my 2nd month on no vegetable-source foods. I stopped calling my way of eating ZC because I've found different people practice ZCism in different ways. Their way doesn't work for me. I eat only meat+fat. Maybe this will change in future. I doubt it.

I had cheese six days ago & it was a disaster. I also don't eat eggs or any milk products including that cream so many can't seem to drink coffee without. I make my coffee by the half-cup ... I like it HOT ... I like it QUICK ... & I like it BLACK. Nothing but half-cups of Taster's Choice for my first hours awake in the morning. I drink my tea the same way.

I have fallen into a routine I like very much. I eat all the meat I want so long as it's before 3 p.m. Generally that's a steak or two & at least one pork chop, unless I'm out of pork chops. If I want fish instead, it's canned albacore or salmon, sardines or "fish steaks," one of those fancy names gives fish products that Americans might otherwise not buy. "Fish steaks" are just cut up herring. I never knew if I'd like herring, but I like it just fine. Just not daily.

I get into a fish mood once or twice a week. Usually, like today, it's just a can of albacore tuna with mayo, lots of mayo. I'd prefer tuna without the mayo, simply because I don't think commercial mayo is all that healthy. Reading the ingredients makes me feel even more that way. Make my own mayo? No, nope, nada. Not the Mz Chefette type. It's better I don't do more than fry or microwave ordinary food of clear identity, such as red meat, pork chop, or ground beef.

I'm not much of a fan of ground beef as it is found today in American supermarkets with most of the fat removed from it. Ground beef from skinny cows is not a taste sensation. I miss those big juicy burgers I used to buy at a small burger joint across from work before Burger King or McDonalds even existed. That was 50-55 years ago, back in the days when Real Food was about all you found in the local grocery market, including ground beef on sale for four pounds for a dollar. Today you're lucky to find one pound for $4 & even then you're being cheated because it's probably off one of those skinny cows. I think of them as Weight Watcher cows.

Everyone knows the flavor in beef is found in the fat. Without it, ground beef smells like dirty old socks to me. When reduced to eating ground beef ... as I occasionally am when out of all other fresh or frozen meat ... I liberally dose it up with McCormick Montreal Chicken Seasoning -- both sides! Makes it taste almost good. Fry it & dip it by the bite in some melted butter to make up for what the skinny cow lacked in fat.

I'm not crazy about soybean oil used in some canned fish products but it's better than water. Besides, I am not eating a lot of oil-canned fish products. I eat fish when it appeals & that's not most days of the week.

I'm also funded 100% by a monthly Social Security check, so I'm not eating the most expensive cuts of beef. I don't eat innards for several good healthy reasons but the main reason is I don't like 'em & that to me is the best reason of all for not doing something.

I started off ZC because even the carbs in LC eating weren't cutting my hunger or urges to binge. Can you believe wanting to eat MORE salad? I don't mean another cup or two of lettuce with a few LC vegs in it either. How about 8, 10, or 12 cups of it? Like I said, I used to binge on LC eating plans.

I also wanted to lose weight, as I wasn't doing after the first 8 pounds on Atkins (all plans, I tried them all before kicking them all to the curb). Some people limit their calories on Atkins to lose weight or maintain their weight loss. That's too much like Weight Watchers to me, where, if you don't know, one counts points, which I guess they think you don't know is just another way to count calories. Of course, Weight Watchers is low-fat, too, another way to go crazy if that's your goal.

I took a look at what I was eating on Atkins & found that only meat -- plain meat, none of that processed stuff nicely packaged in the deli section -- had no carbs.

Eggs have carbs. Cheese has carbs. Any kind of milk product, including cream, has carbs. Okay, only a fraction of a gram in an egg, but who eats just one egg? And how many carbs from eggs add up over a week? And cheese? Same thing. A fraction of a gram to one gram in an ounce of cheese. And who eats just one ounce of cheese? Again, those little fractions add up over a day or a week. For me, they set off a binge or else my stomach is growling an hour later for more of the same.

So I went ZC to end the cravings or binge-buttons as well as to lose weight, if such a thing were going to be possible at all for me short of absolute starvation. You want to know how to end up this carb sensitive? I don't know all the ways to do that, but the way it happened to me was to be a vegetarian for about 10 years then a vegan for a few more years. I was gaining weight eating 800-900 calories of the alleged healthiest food in America (according to the government), all of it whole grains, fresh vegetables, & fresh fruit. Not a lot of weight, just enough that I gained 20+ pounds as a lifetime success story in Weight Watchers. Losing weight is easy, as many know who've done it, but keeping it off is a different matter entirely if one doesn't have a solid maintenance plan.

So I went ZC because I wanted to stop being run by hunger into eating more than I needed & I wanted to lose weight. Not a lot of weight. Just 20 pounds or so. What I'd gained as a vegetarian/vegan. But I am STAYING ZC because of how I feel. I was put on a low-dose BP pill two years ago when still a vegan & I still needed it on Atkins. But 2-3 weeks on ZC & I didn't need it anymore, my BP in the normal range ever since. I also rearrange my furniture on days when I don't get enough exercise otherwise from long walks mornings with a friend.

I have energy I didn't have when I was 40. I have energy I never had as a good widdle vegetarian. I thrive on meat, just meat. I prefer steak or pork chop & tend to eat most of a pound of meat most days, sometimes closer to two pounds. Sometimes closer to half a pound. The amount is not by choice or desire. Purely driven by hunger. Eat when hungry, stop when not, do something else until hungry again -- simple, easy, even I can't screw it up.

I drink coffee & I drink bottled spring water. My taste buds have changed so much that I taste the yucky chemicals put into our desert tap water to make it safe for human consumption or to make it palatable to those eating mostly carbs, fast food, & take-out. So I keep a gallon of spring water on the top shelf of my fridge, knowing I'll drink most of it in a day or two.

The only thing I add to my meat is a sprinkle of salt to a steak occasionally. Sometimes I add no salt. I never add much salt because it masks the flavor of the meat. I know, those who use a lot of salt think it brings out the flavor in food. It doesn't. It just raises your BP & masks the delicious flavor of the food -- well, delicious if it's plain unadulturated MEAT.

Pork chops I eat plain or else with a light sprinkle of that Montreal Chicken Seasoning mix I mentioned earlier. Yes, there's some salt in it, but by quantity there's more garlic in it than salt, plus a bunch of other delightful things, none of which add even a fraction of a carb to a piece of meat if the seasoning is used lightly. If you want to pour a lot on, however, of course you're adding carb along with destroying the real flavor of the food. I don't do that. In fact, I don't use much of it because even a little tends to talk back to me later. Sometimes, I use none of it at all.

What ZC life as a meatarian has done for me that's made the biggest change in my life is it has removed the need to plan a meal -- beyond remembering to take a couple hunks of meat out of the freezer to thaw in the bottom of the fridge for the next day -- & have to think of food. I don't have to think of food. When hungry, I just open the fridge, take the next slab of meat & pop it in the skillet. After I eat it, I'm no longer hungry, so after I do the dishes (I'm a neatness nut, so I ALWAYS do the dishes & clean up after I eat), I go do something else until I'm hungry again. I don't think about food. I just eat it when I'm hungry. That's a significant change for someone like me who used to be the plaything of food urges.

A bonus is that if I'm hungry but busy -- such as in the middle of moving a 6-foot tall oak bookcase to the next room -- I can wait to eat until I'm unbusy. I won't faint from hunger, nor will I eat up the kitchen later.

Do I recommend ZC to others? Of course not. It's not a diet plan like "new" Atkins that can be hawked on the internet by a multi-billion dollar corporation out to make Big Bucks off your fat body. I think ZC is what people do when they've tried everything else. They don't need to be talked into it by someone else. They don't even need to have it suggested to them. If nothing else is working, they'll get there soon enough on their own. That is, if they really, really, really want to lose weight, be healthy, & find life beyond the kitchen.

Almost daily, I'm told by friends that I'm ruining my health or will drop dead of a heart attack from eating the way I am. Almost daily, I change the subject until they get the message. What's on my plate is for me to decide. It is none of their cotton-pickin' business. I have the same attitude toward anything my physician tells me I need to do for my health or well-being. It's my body so it's my choice what I do or don't do. I'm a liberated 70-year-old woman so don't mess around with my head.

And each day I think I've found the Fountain of Youth. It's not a fountain either. It's life as I know it as a meatarian. And a meatarian is a vegetarian who now eats only meat.

mo

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Old Sat, Jan-09-16, 18:49
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That's exactly how I feel too, Jo. Wow ... I love my way of eating. And plain water never tasted so good as it does now. Happy trails to you mo
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That's exactly how I feel too, Jo. Wow ... I love my way of eating. And plain water never tasted so good as it does now. Happy trails to you mo


I'm impressed and I must admit I'm not far from being a"meatarian", although - probably because there are veg in the house and I like to bulk my meals up, I do have veggies - but usually just avocados, mushrooms or tomatoes.

I'm very much a believer that "cavemen" probably didnt eat much veg either - fruit at certain times of the year maybe.

I read this a while ago which made me think....

http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/vegetables/

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I read this a while ago which made me think....

http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/food/vegetables/

Jo xxx


Thanx for opportunity to read that source. I notice that in several places she mentioned that she'd found no evidence of any established need for vegetables in the human diet. The chart on sources of vitamins mentions that vegs are better sources for Vits E & C but doesn't claim that meat doesn't provide these vits as well as all other necessary vitamins & minerals for human health. I DO take a 1,000 mg Vit C supplement daily, sometimes 2,000, but that's only because of a book I read many years ago by Dr. Linus Pauling on the universal value of Vitamin C in large doses for preventing just about everything one doesn't want. Well, except body fat, of course.
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Zero carbs works best for me because it eliminates a lot of thinking about food that goes into planning or anticipating meals including vegs of any kind.

For me, that kicks to the curb most of the mental part of binges & overeating since it also does away with much of the obsession with eating to please just the taste buds & mental hunger rather than true body hunger.

It isn't for me a way to lose a lot of weight fast (Fad diets of the commercial sort may do that best, if speed in weight loss is all that matters to you).

I eat meat+fat only, the fat being what's on the meat whenever possible, adding butter when not.

For health, it's an excellent way for me. For the first time in a few years, I'm off all BP med, dropped after 2-3 weeks as a "meatarian" (a word I made up for myself to mean "a former vegetarian who now eats only meat").

I have more energy than I've had in years. I'm losing inches much faster than pounds but health & sense of well-being & energy level are my priorities. Although some in the past seem to have lost lots of weight fast on ZC, that is not my experience.

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One of the things that Gary Taubes mentions in GCBC, is that it's entirely possible that the only reason we "need" Vit C is because it's blocked by carbs. Get rid of the carbs, get rid of the need for Vit C, outside the little that's trapped in our meat sources, because the animals we eat ate Vit C.

Of course, we have to be careful. If we're eating grain fed meat, then we may still need to supplement. But grass fed, free range? We're good.
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One of the things that Gary Taubes mentions in GCBC, is that it's entirely possible that the only reason we "need" Vit C is because it's blocked by carbs. Get rid of the carbs, get rid of the need for Vit C, outside the little that's trapped in our meat sources, because the animals we eat ate Vit C.

Of course, we have to be careful. If we're eating grain fed meat, then we may still need to supplement. But grass fed, free range? We're good.


Gary is probably right about that in regards to RDA amounts of any vit or mineral, all of them I've read available via meat.

For many years, I've taken 1,000 or 2,000 mg Vit C due to what I learned from Dr. Linus Pauling. I never get colds anymore, rarely ever have had flu (don't get the flu shot either, despite all the harping about it) but if a cold starts for me, as it did last week, I can usually get rid of it within a few hours with a little more Vit C, some zinc, & echinacea.

Young children in school are exposed to colds often via schools, tend to bring them home to share with the family. Retirement communities like mine, where the residents are ages 55 up, are also popular for the winter spread among residents of colds & flus. I trust Pauling's information more than any recommendation that hinges today on research results via tests paid for by the drug companies. Unfortunately, media writers & journalists today fairly much rely on those test results.

Not a lot of people in my income bracket can afford to eat only grass-fed free-range meat. To me, it's superiority seems mostly an advertising ploy for selling it to the affluent for higher profits. I may be wrong, but for the difference in price I can buy a lot of Vitamin C.

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I'm still ZC, eating meat only, avoiding all the faddish keto-izing suggestions I read elsewhere. Sometimes I add fat via unsalted butter, but mostly I don't. I pour the drippings off cooked meat over the meat, like a gravy, & consume it as well.

My wt drops slowly, no matter what sort of food plan I am on. Has done that on diets & food plans since my first efforts at losing weight on my own in the 1970s. The only time it dropped quickly was in 1973 when I first ran across the Atkins diet via Atkins' first book, Diet Revolution, just out then in paperback. However, as I've found in recent years, fast weight loss is reserved mostly (there are exceptions to every statement) to those with major poundage to lose or those under age 40. It's uphill for the rest of us, or so I've concluded from what I've read in entries here in the forums.

But ZC is in a class by itself, even if it's just drop the salad & everything else from the Atkins food list & live on what's left: meat+water. It's in a class by itself for Mo (getting personal here) because I'm 70 years old, a dinosaur in the lose-weight business, & the main gain I'm made from going ZC has been in health.

Two weeks on ZC & I no longer needed my mild BP meds. ( I'm not saying this will happen to everyone, so don't throw out your pills until YOU no longer need them to keep your BP in normal range, validated by taking your own BP daily.) Now, after nearly two months on nothing but meat (true ZC, not "biologic zero" with mayo, cheese, eggs, & other non-meat stuff like LETTUCE & EVOO), I've also dropped years. If ZC isn't the Fountain of Youth, I don't know what it. I have no aches, even after exercising. I sleep like a baby. I have energy I've not had in decades. I feel better in all ways (emotional, physical, etc.) daily than I have in more than a few decades. I've lost dry skin, dry hair, other traits associated with aging.

I've recently cut back on the amount of meat I'm eating daily to remain true to the only rule I find necessary in living ZC: eat only when hungry & stop eating when full but not stuffed. I eat 6-8 oz of meat (pork chop, small sirloin steak, ground beef, or chicken) twice a day, usually once before noon, & a second time about 6 hours later. I don't eat after my 2nd meal until the next day.

Eating only when hungry means when I'm physically hungry, not mentally or emotionally "hungry." I can walk past someone grilling a steak outdoors & be unphysically "hungry" at once. In my getting fat days, I ate whenever the thought of food appealed to me & I ate until I couldn't hold any more. That's a good way to get & stay fat, in my experience. I can't eat that way ZC unless I want the same thing to happen: feeling good, but staying the same weight.

ZC is a good way to live, in my opinion, even for those who have no weight to lose. Many people do just that. But, for me, losing weight on ZC isn't resolved solely by adding gobs of fat to what one consumes daily. I don't have to live on mostly fat to lose on ZC. Now, what's my proof of that? I don't have a lot today, but I'm working toward creating some. I happen to believe that ZC will lead to weight loss simply by eating meat when hungry & eating meat only until one is full, which is a pound or two before stuffed. I'll comment again here when I have experience to back up what I've said in this paragraph. Until then, adios.

mo

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One of the things that Gary Taubes mentions in GCBC, is that it's entirely possible that the only reason we "need" Vit C is because it's blocked by carbs. Get rid of the carbs, get rid of the need for Vit C, outside the little that's trapped in our meat sources, because the animals we eat ate Vit C.

Of course, we have to be careful. If we're eating grain fed meat, then we may still need to supplement. But grass fed, free range? We're good.


The RDA amount of Vitamin C is set at an amount to keep you from any of the dire results of lack of Vitamin C. I don't believe anything that says I can get all the Vitamin C I need for OPTIMAL health (not just avoidance of deficiency issues) from the meat I eat or anything else I eat. But that's because my experience has been different. To me, that's the only reason to not follow professional advice.

I noticed yesterday in flipping through Atkins' 1972 book, Diet Revolution, that he suggests that everyone on Atkins take 1,000 mg Vitamin C. He talks about other vitamins as well in that book. I remember when he started selling vitamin supplements through his corporation after NDR came out in the 1990s, that he got more & more into the need for vitamin supplementation.

I refuse to take a lot of vitamins merely on the say-so of anyone selling vitamins or benefitting financially from them. However, Dr. Linus Pauling on Vitamin C is, to me, different.

I've followed Pauling's advise about the benefits of supplementing with a minimum of 1,000 mg Vit C since sometime in the 1980s or 1990s, I can't recall exactly when, but once I started the daily practice I began getting fewer & fewer colds & even fewer episodes of influenza.

I don't advocate everyone do as I do based solely on my experience, but I do intend to keep on doing what works for me & has for decades, based solely on the book I read years ago written by Dr. Linus Pauling.

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One of the things I've noticed since coming onto the Internet is that you can read just about anything on the Internet that suggests something is true, then read something else on the Internet that says the opposite. Just goes to show that just because something is on the Internet doesn't make it true. Those of us over age 50 likely learned that years ago in regards to what we read in the newspaper or see on tv or in the movies. Any fool can post his or her opinions on the Internet, any crook can set up a website to sell the latest version of snake oil.

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I went Zero Carb eating nothing but meat on 7 December. I'm still Zero Carb eating mostly meat but now also a few eggs occasionally. The only time I hit a snag with losing weight is when I eat cheese or mayo (I no longer buy either), when I eat more food than I need to eat (1100 calories tops) for my body's needs -- which are a little more than the calories I think I should eat (about 800) -- or when I eat too much lean meat so that my % of fat falls equal to or below my % of protein.

I recently dropped 3.1 lbs in 4 days by eating 1100 calories a day in meat only that was 60% fat. I then ate some cheese & that ended that. I figure it'll take 3 days for my body to return to losing as before.

I'm still learning to eat eggs & meat that, in themselves, contain more fat than protein, but to keep that % up to at least 60% fat of the day's calories, I add unsalted butter as needed. I don't use plant-based oils or fats.

For now, I'm just trying to keep it simple so that I can gain some ground in ZC stability over time & lose weight slowly if I have to in order to gain that stability. That means I'm not trying out new things others suggest.

I'm sticking to a variety of meats I happen to like -- eggs scrambled in butter, bacon, ground chuck, steak, beef chuck roast, pork chops (both thin & thick). Most of the steak I buy I don't know by type. I just pick out the ones that are small enough to fit my budget but also have the best appearance in marbling or thickness of an edge of fat. The only meat I buy that has an almost perfect ratio of fat to protein is beef chuck roast.

ZC meat only doesn't work well by buying or eating mostly lean meat & other animal products -- canned tuna, egg whites, chicken breast, turkey breast, that kind of lean stuff. All the stuff I used to eat in my mere LC days & wonder why I wasn't losing weight.

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