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Originally Posted by Gostrydr
Uhh Dane..if you have read any of my past posts, you'll see that I have written alot of Excercise Post Oxygen Consumption..
EPOC, especially when it comes to the myth of a "fat burning zone" and "target heart rate" for cardio
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Sorry, I haven't read all of your posts, and the ones I have read never mentioned EPOC. Please note I didn't instruct YOU personally to google EPOC, just people who are reading along,
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It has to do with not how much fat your burn while you excercise but hours after you excercise..So what's your point on that regarding carb intake??
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My point was not regarding EPOC and carb intake, but rather the fact that you WILL burn calories for many hours beyond the exercise, providing you were able to exercise with
intensity. If one needs to eat some carbs prior to exercising in order to maintain intensity, then it will benefit them to do so, as any fat-burning that those carbs would inhibit will be more than compensated for by EPOC.
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Tell me which carbs bulid bone? I know there are some leafy greens that have an ok amount of calcium and other co-factors,but carbs are not usually known for their bone building properties.
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Right. Please reread what I wrote. I see now, rereading, that I may not have been clear. I wrote:
"Basically, you eat some carbs so as to be able to
exercise intensely, which will do a lot of good things for you (bone health, maintenance of muscle tissue, etc.)"
I bolded the important stuff...my emphasis was that
exercise intensity does the good things, not the carbs.
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I am well versed on TKD,CKD..I get Lyle Mcdonalds newsletter every week and I have corresponded with him on some personal issues.
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From your understanding about carbs around workouts, it is obvious that you are NOT well-versed in TKD/CKD's. I also get Lyle's newsletters, have corresponded with him in e-mail, AND am an active member on his website. So?
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Do I agree with everything he says? No, but I take a little from him, a little from Will Brink,Dipasquale,Duchaine, Michael Mooney and others and come to my own conclusions.
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As do I, though my list of gurus differs from yours,
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You have found what has worked for you..great. So why is it that I speak half truths?
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If I attempt to list them all, I'll REALLY be accused of threadjacking. So, here's just one:
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I would never drink Oj in the first place, but it is silly before a workout. It would be like drinking a coke...You could actually hamper your performance with unstable blood sugar levels.. some may do well with it, but it could be disasturous....I'm not crazy about eating any carbs preworkout..it is fuel, so again, why would your body burn the fuel you have stored.....Carbs are the bodies preferred fuel source..so why take them in? Why then would your body burn fat??
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Again, if you knew anything about TKD, for example, you would know that it's desirable to take in "fast" carbs prior to lifting, and will not "hamper your performance", but rather enhance it. I already explained why it's good to take in carbs as fuel, etc.
I think it's helpful that you've been around the famous and elite, but remember their circumstances (and resources) are not the same as the everyday person's, so you can't apply their programs/practices either, expecting to get the same results.
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So what I do, is try and put forth what I believe to be true from what I have seen...real world experiences and results. I do not want to debate you either..you have alot of knowledge..but I am trying to help people by saving them a lot of frustration when it comes to diet,supplementation and excercise.
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I'm cool with that. If you were just voicing your own opinions that'd be one thing, but you are making them seem like statements of fact, and that's not helpful.
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But remember this, 70% of our population has some sort of glucose intolerance or some form of blood sugar abnormality.
For that 70% TKD or CKD can be devastating to the weight loss goals and their excercise performance.
I am one of those..
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It can work very well for anyone with those problems--it may need some tweaking, but don't deny someone the opportunity to try it by condemning it.
As for the glutamine:
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Give it a try Dane and see for yourself. I promise all your hard earned muscle will not melt away if you do not have any carbs after your workout.
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I DON'T have carbs post workout; I take them pre-workout. I have no need to experiment with glutamine because there is overwhelming evidence--not ANECDOTE, but EVIDENCE--that it doesn't work miracles for recovery. I noticed you never answer my questions, but here's another one anyway---what happens to glutamine in the human gut? How much of that 30g you recommend will actually get past my gut and to the muscles?
I'll give you a hint---nada!
From yer buddy Lyle:
Glutamine = one of the most overrated and utterly useless supplements for muscle growth. it works great for stimualting protein synthesis IF you toss it into msucle cells in a test tube. it does some nice things with trauma/burn patients. And does less than jack sh*t orally in healthy humans at even massive doses. it doesn't spare muscle whiel dieting and it doesn't impact on anabolism. yet it refuses to die as a supplement.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fo...light=glutamine
And here's some more glutamine goodness:
GLUTAMINE SUPPLEMENTATION DID NOT BENEFIT ATHLETES DURING SHORT-TERM WEIGHT REDUCTION
Kevin, J. Finn1, Robin Lund1 and Mona Rosene-Treadwell2
1University of Northern Iowa, USA
2 South Dakota State University, USA
© Journal of Sports Science and Medicine (2003) 2, 163-168
The purpose was to determine if glutamine supplementation would prevent a loss of lean mass in athletes during a 12-day weight reduction program. It was hypothesized that supplementation would spare lean body mass. Subjects (n=18) exercised and dieted to create a 4186kJ·day-1 energy deficit and a 8372 kJ·day-1 energy deficit on days 1-5, days 6-12, respectively. The glutamine (GLN) group (n=9) ingested 0.35 g·kg-1 body mass of glutamine while a placebo was administered to the remaining subjects. Body mass (BM), lean body mass (LBM) and fat mass (FM), were measured at days 0, 6, and 12. GLN and placebo groups both lost significant amounts of BM, LBM and FM. There were no significant differences between groups. The findings indicate little benefit for retention of lean mass with supplementation of glutamine during a short-term weight reduction program.
http://www.jssm.org/vol2/n4/7/v2n4-7text.php#1
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