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Just spotted this story:

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HALF of top athletes claim their high-carb diets are rotting their teeth and holding them back from gold medals!

Professor Ian Needleman, who co-led the study, said: 'Nutrition in sports is heavily reliant on frequent carbohydrate intakes, which are known to increase inflammation in the body and gum tissues.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ease-study.html
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lol, WHY am I NOT surprized???/!!!!!!! lol

I have been pushing my boys to go keto, and try the Warrior Dash challenge this summer--- that is more of an incentive to teens than their teeth...... but I get the satisfaction of better teeth for my kids.

Carbo loading is such a joke.
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https://www.mamanatural.com/why-vit...-how-to-get-it/

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And teeth?
Vitamin K2 is also fantastic for teeth not only for the calcium reason, but because it can reduce plaque build up. I know from experience that my teeth are so much smoother since I’ve started supplementing with this nutrient.

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Did a little readin on Dr lin, which brought me to Dr price... and back again. There are many nutrients that are im portant to living teeth.

Why do some kids have cavities and others dont, yet are in the same family.

So far, having the right nutrients to support the teeth is key to the immune system and the ability to reformulate ( build) teeth material to patch up teeth.

ANd still trying to nail down the good bacteria to innocualte the mouth with---

Im kinda on the track that the fermented K2 sources might also be the microbes useful in the mouth.

Until then, brushing with baking soda.
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http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.c...ersal-diet.html

From back before Stephan Guyunet had his spat with Gary Taubes, back when low carbers thought he was cool.
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Thanks teaser--- a good read. Ultimately the phytates need to be addressed in our diets to ensure the uptake of Ca and other minerals.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.c...ersal-diet.html


Dr. Mellanby's Tooth Decay Reversal Diet
I have a lot of admiration for Drs. Edward and May Mellanby. A husband-and-wife team, they discovered vitamin D, and determined that rickets is caused by poor calcium (or phosphorus) status, typically due to vitamin D deficiency. They believed that an ideal diet is omnivorous, based on whole foods, and offers an adequate supply of fat-soluble vitamins and easily absorbed minerals. They also felt that grain intake should be modest, as their research showed that unsoaked whole grains antagonize the effect of vitamins D and A.

Not only did the Mellanbys discover vitamin D and end the rickets epidemic that was devastating Western cities at the time, they also discovered a cure for early-stage tooth decay that has been gathering dust in medical libraries throughout the world since 1924.

It was in that year that Dr. May Mellanby published a summary of the results of the Mellanby tooth decay reversal studies in the British Medical Journal, titled "Remarks on the Influence of a Cereal-free Diet Rich in Vitamin D and Calcium on Dental Caries in Children". Last year, I had to specially request this article from the basement of the University of Washington medical library (1). Thanks to the magic of the internet, the full version of the paper is now freely available online (2).

You don't need my help to read the study, but in this post I offer a little background, a summary and my interpretation.

In previous studies, the Mellanbys used dogs to define the dietary factors that influence tooth development and repair. They identified three, which together made the difference between excellent and poor dental health (from Nutrition and Disease):
The diet's mineral content, particularly calcium and phosphorus
The diet's fat-soluble vitamin content, chiefly vitamin D
The diet's content of inhibitors of mineral absorption, primarily phytic acid
Once they had defined these factors, they set about testing their hypotheses in humans. They performed eight trials, each one in children in an institutionalized setting where diet could be completely controlled. The number of cavities in each child's mouth was noted at the beginning and end of the period. I'll only discuss the three most informative, and only the most successful in detail. First, the results:

I'll start with diet 1. Children on this diet ate the typical fare, plus extra oatmeal. Oatmeal is typically eaten as an unsoaked whole grain (and soaking it isn't very effective in any case), and so it is high in phytic acid, which effectively inhibits the absorption of a number of minerals including calcium. These children formed 5.8 cavities each and healed virtually none-- not good!

Diet number 2 was similar to diet 1, except there was no extra oatmeal and the children received a large supplemental dose of vitamin D. Over 28 weeks, only 1 cavity per child developed or worsened, while 3.9 healed. Thus, simply adding vitamin D to a reasonable diet allowed most of their cavities to heal.

Diet number 3 was the most effective. This was a grain-free diet plus supplemental vitamin D. Over 26 weeks, children in this group saw an average of only 0.4 cavities form or worsen, while 4.7 healed. The Mellanbys considered that they had essentially found a cure for this disorder in its early stages.

What exactly was this diet? Here's how it was described in the paper (note: cereals = grains):
...instead of cereals- for example, bread, oatmeal, rice, and tapioca- an increased allowance of potatoes and other vegetables, milk, fat, meat, and eggs was given. The total sugar, jam, and syrup intake was the same as before. Vitamin D was present in abundance in either cod-liver oil or irradiated ergosterol, and in egg yolk, butter, milk, etc. The diet of these children was thus rich in those factors, especially vitamin D and calcium, which experimental evidence has shown to assist calcification, and was devoid of those factors- namely, cereals- which interfere with the process.
Carbohydrate intake was reduced by almost half. Bread and oatmeal were replaced by potatoes, milk, meat, fish, eggs, butter and vegetables. The diet is reminiscent of what Dr. Weston Price used to reverse tooth decay in his dental clinic in Cleveland, although Price's diet did include rolls made from freshly ground whole wheat. Price also identified the fat-soluble vitamin K2 MK-4 as another important factor in tooth decay reversal, which would have been abundant in Mellanby's studies due to the dairy. The Mellanbys and Price were contemporaries and had parallel and complementary findings. The Mellanbys did not understand the role of vitamin K2 in mineral metabolism, and Price did not seem to appreciate the role of phytic acid from unsoaked whole grains in preventing mineral absorption.

Here are two sample meals provided in Dr. Mellanby's paper. I believe the word "dinner" refers to the noon meal, and "supper" refers to the evening meal:
Breakfast- Omelette, cocoa, with milk.
Lunch- Milk.
Dinner- Potatoes, steamed minced meat, carrots, stewed fruit, milk.
Tea- Fresh fruit salad, cocoa made with milk.
Supper- Fish and potatoes fried in dripping, milk.

Breakfast- Scrambled egg, milk, fresh salad.
Dinner- Irish stew, potatoes, cabbage, stewed fruit, milk.
Tea- Minced meat warmed with bovril, green salad, milk.
Supper- Thick potato soup made with milk.
In addition, children received vitamin D daily. Here's Dr. Mellanby's summary of their findings:
The tests do not indicate that in order to prevent dental caries children must live on a cereal-free diet, but in association with the results of the other investigations on animals and children they do indicate that the amount of cereal eaten should be reduced, particularly during infancy and in the earlier years of life, and should be replaced by an increased consumption of milk, eggs, butter, potatoes, and other vegetables. They also indicate that a sufficiency of vitamin D and calcium should be given from birth, and before birth, by supplying a suitable diet to the pregnant mother. The teeth of the children would be well formed and more resistant to dental caries instead of being hypoplastic and badly calcified, as were those in this investigation.
If I could add something to this program, I would recommend daily tooth brushing and flossing, avoiding sugar, and rinsing the mouth with water after each meal.

This diet is capable of reversing early stage tooth decay. It will not reverse advanced decay, which requires professional dental treatment as soon as possible. It is not a substitute for dental care in general, and if you try using diet to reverse your own tooth decay, please do it under the supervision of a dentist. And while you're there, tell her about Edward and May Mellanby!

Preventing Tooth Decay
Reversing Tooth Decay
Images of Tooth Decay Healing due to an Improved Diet
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Back to weston price organization

https://www.westonaprice.org/health...th-phytic-acid/


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DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS
High-phytate diets result in mineral deficiencies. In populations where cereal grains provide a major source of calories, rickets and osteoporosis are common.10

Interestingly, the body has some ability to adapt to the effects of phytates in the diet. Several studies show that subjects given high levels of whole wheat at first excrete more calcium than they take in, but after several weeks on this diet, they reach a balance and do not excrete excess calcium.11 However, no studies of this phenomenon have been carried out over a long period; nor have researchers looked at whether human beings can adjust to the phytate-reducing effects of other important minerals, such as iron, magnesium and zinc.

The zinc- and iron-blocking effects of phytic acid can be just as serious as the calcium-blocking effects. For example, one study showed that a wheat roll containing 2 mg phytic acid inhibited zinc absorption by 18 percent; 25 mg phytic acid in the roll inhibited zinc absorption by 64 percent; and 250 mg inhibited zinc absorption by 82 percent.12 Nuts have a marked inhibitory action on the absorption of iron due to their phytic acid content.13

Over the long term, when the diet lacks minerals or contains high levels of phytates or both, the metabolism goes down, and the body goes into mineral-starvation mode. The body then sets itself up to use as little of these minerals as possible. Adults may get by for decades on a high-phytate diet, but growing children run into severe problems. In a phytate-rich diet, their bodies will suffer from the lack of calcium and phosphorus with poor bone growth, short stature, rickets, narrow jaws and tooth decay; and for the lack of zinc and iron with anemia and mental retardation.

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Got 2 bottles of OraWellness, label change, but same ingredients and quality. I use the original, mixed with almond oil. They make a "nut-free" formula as well.
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Mike do you really think this has made a difference???

Im feeling overwhelmed by the sheer lack of information from the all mighty expensive dentists----and trying to find, far too late, how to improve my health and of that my teen kids.
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" However, probiotic lactobacilli, and other species of the endogenous digestive microflora can produce phytase."

is this why fermenting in milk products with active probiotics can make legumes, nuts and grains, better to eat.


The above source also notes a number of studies verifying VITAMIN C can also counter act the phytates, so use high vit C leafy greens like collards to mix with the meal.
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quoted--

Soaking grains and flour in an acid medium at very warm temperatures, as in the sourdough process, also activates phytase and reduces or even eliminates phytic acid.

Before the advent of industrial agriculture, farmers typically soaked crushed grain in hot water before feeding it to poultry and hogs. Today, feed manufacturers add phytase to grain mixes to get better growth in animals. Commercial phytases are typically produced using recombinant DNA technology. For example, a bacterial phytase gene has recently been inserted into yeast for commercial production.

Not all grains contain enough phytase to eliminate the phytate, even when properly prepared. For example, corn, millet, oats and brown rice do not contain sufficient phytase to eliminate all the phytic acid they contain. On the other hand, wheat and rye contain high levels of phytase—wheat contains fourteen times more phytase than rice and rye contains over twice as much phytase as wheat.30 Soaking or souring these grains, when freshly ground, in a warm environment will destroy all phytic acid. The high levels of phytase in rye explain why this grain is preferred as a starter for sourdough breads.

Phytase is destroyed by steam heat at about 176 degrees Fahrenheit in ten minutes or less. In a wet solution, phytase is destroyed at 131-149 degrees Fahrenheit.31 Thus heat processing, as in extrusion, will completely destroy phytase—think of extruded all-bran cereal, very high in phytic acid and all of its phytase destroyed by processing. Extruded cereals made of bran and whole grains are a recipe for digestive problems and mineral deficiencies!

Phytase is present in small amounts in oats, but heat treating to produce commercial oatmeal renders it inactive. Even grinding a grain too quickly or at too high a temperature will destroy phytase, as will freezing and long storage times. Fresh flour has a higher content of phytase than does flour that has been stored.32 Traditional cultures generally grind their grain fresh before preparation. Weston Price found that mice fed whole grain flours that were not freshly ground did not grow properly.33

Cooking is not enough to reduce phytic acid—acid soaking before cooking is needed to activate phytase and let it do its work. For example, the elimination of phytic acid in quinoa requires fermenting or germinating plus cooking (see Figure 3). In general, a combination of acidic soaking for considerable time and then cooking will reduce a significant portion of phytate in grains and legumes.
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http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.c...ooth-decay.html

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If I were to design the ultimate dietary program to heal cavities that incorporates the successes of both doctors, it would look something like this:
Rich in animal foods, particularly full-fat pastured dairy products (if tolerated) and bone broths. Also meat, organs, fish, and eggs.
Fermented grains only; no unfermented grains such as oatmeal, breakfast cereal, crackers, etc. No breads except true sourdough (ingredients should not list lactic acid). Or even better, no grains at all.
Limited nuts; beans in moderation, only if they're soaked overnight or longer prior to cooking (due to the phytic acid).
Starchy vegetables such as potatoes and sweet potatoes.
A limited quantity of fruit (one piece per day or less), but no refined sweets.
Cooked and raw vegetables.
Sunlight, high-vitamin cod liver oil, or vitamin D3 supplements.
Pastured butter.
No industrially processed food.
This diet would maximize mineral absorption while providing abundant fat-soluble vitamins. It probably isn't necessary to follow it strictly. For example, if you eat more mineral-rich foods such as dairy and bone broths, you can probably get away with more phytic acid. Or you might be able to heal cavities eating like this for only one or two meals a day, as Dr. Price demonstrated.

This post is focused on diet, but obviously oral hygiene also matters. Brushing your teeth, flossing, and rinsing your mouth out after meals will also reduce dental risks.

The technique described above is applicable to early-stage, small cavities, not necessarily to advanced decay. If you try to heal your own cavities using diet, please do it under the supervision of a dentist.

Posted by Stephan Guyenet
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Is There a Link Between Medication Use During Infancy and Allergies in Early Childhood? 6-29-2018

In a new study, published in JAMA Pediatrics, researchers, in recognizing the fact that allergic diseases are increasingly prevalent in children, wanted to determine if acid-blocking drugs or antibiotics may influence the likelihood of allergy. Their justification for their study focused on the fact that early exposure to medications can alter gut organisms.
The study was retrospective, meaning that it looked back at health records of close to 800,000 children, and tried to find associations between allergies and exposure to either acid-blocking drugs or antibiotics during the first six months of life. Risk for allergy was determined during a period of up to 4.6 years.

The results of the study were indeed profound. The risk of developing food allergy was more than doubled in children receiving acid-blocking drugs during their first six months of life, while the risk for asthma was increased by 41% in these children.In those children who received antibiotics during their first six months of life, risk for asthma was doubled, while there was a 75% increase in risk for allergic rhinitis, a 51% increase in risk for anaphylaxis, and a 42% increase in risk for allergic conjunctivitis.


the study:

Association Between Use of Acid-Suppressive Medications and Antibiotics During Infancy and Allergic Diseases in Early Childhood 4-2-2018
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wow-----


Once my kids went to school, the strep went around and around, with lots of antibiotics going down the hatch. My kids did not do daycare BUT preschool started at 3 years old.

Sure glad I let my kids play in the dirt......
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