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Old Mon, Oct-09-17, 04:44
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I find that most people who object my eating a LCHF diet are actually quite misinformed about what I do eat. When I whip out my camera and show them photos of my meals they see that I eat plenty of plant based food and a normal portion size of meat. I point out what they don't see. No grain, no cakes, no cookies, no pasta, no French fries, etc. I tell them that it is what I don't eat that makes me low carb. That usually changes the focus of the conversation. Just the thought of giving up all those carby delights fills them with dread and drains the blood from their face. "Oh, I could never give up XXX".

I used to talk a lot about my diet to anyone who would listen. I haven't won many converts. One benefit I have is that nobody will seriously challenge me for my choices. When you lose more than 200 pound without drugs or surgery you must be doing something right. Results speak louder than words. These days I try to avoid debates. Most people have their minds made up and will not be swayed. I'll answer questions if asked and I'll point them to Dietdoctor.com if they want to know more.


Ah, diet doctor is the Swedish dude right? I've frequented his blog now and then.

You're right, results are the way. In the form of pictures can be a game changer for the naysayers. Usually trying to convince a person a way of eating does work, isn't enough unfortunately you're right, plus it's just less stressful on us low carbers to enter into it in the first place... Picture proof (before and afters) , even results from a health check up. Can't disupte that, well unless you're blinded by ignorance.

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Old Mon, Oct-09-17, 04:50
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My go to Doctor is Dr. Jason Fung. His site has a wealth of information, especially on intermittent fasting. I do one meal a day intermittent fasting and he has a huge section on his website about it. I am an "all or nothing" tpe of person and obviously you can't quit eating cold turkey, but one meal a day intermittent fasting is the closest I can get. I feel so much better, belly fat is down dramatically in less than 2 weeks (I don't weigh more than every 3 months so don't know about the weight yet but size matters more to me) and I am no longer obsessing about food all the time. That was a problem for me even doing low carb religiously. Now I also have the extra money to eat REALLY good food for my one meal a day. I don't squander carbs or calories on food just to fill up. I no longer eat on the run, preferring to wait a little longer in order to actually sit down and enjoy my meal. As to your original question, the only thing I've found to convince anyone else that it works is for them to see the results.


Yes heard of Fung and like you, I've intermittent fasted for many years now, even when I bugger up my low carbing, I do it, guess it's just automatic now - plus I could never really stomach early monrning breakfasts... Works a treat and definitely saves money. I find that lchf is only a tad expensive in the early stages. Once you're fat adapted and not needing to eat so much, grocery shopping is way cheaper.
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Old Mon, Oct-09-17, 04:52
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I really like the Diet Doctor site. It's full of great content, always being added to. Dr. Fung has a lot of videos there, special to the site. There are some great recipes that are low carb/very low carb and keto. There are articles as well, and a lot of video interviews about this subject. Also a bunch of movies relating to low carb. Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt, who started the site, has no advertising and he doesn't sell anything—he's really devoted to spreading the word about low carb. He originally had only a Swedish site, but later expanded into English. It's well worth checking out because it has so much information and has new incoming info all the time...it's a membership site (basically the cost of two Starbucks cappuccinos per month), but you can see a lot of the content before being a member and I think you can still get a free trial membership as well to see if you like it. I started off testing it out, and have remained a member for almost a year now. It's my favorite site.

As for convincing reluctant others, no can do. People have to be ready to listen in order to hear what you might say. You can't convince anyone who isn't ready. You have to wait for someone to observe your own great results and ask you how you did it. They have to get beyond thinking "Oh, I couldn't possibly give up eating_______(fill in the blank...bread, alcohol, sugar, whatever it may be). I used to be so excited about what I discovered that I wanted to tell others and convince them to eat low carb as well, but before long I realized it was hopeless. They have to come to you willingly and be dying to know how you did it, you just can't impart your newfound wisdom to a still resistant audience. Some people never get to that point, I've realized.


Yes usually if the ego can't be dropped - you're less likely to come down to the same level. Results is probably the only way.
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Old Mon, Oct-09-17, 04:53
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Like Ken, I avoid debates or even serious responses to the now rare question of whether I've lost weight. My weight loss was 4 years ago, and people have now started getting used to me as is. As for the discussions with sincere people, I give them the "elevator speech" which is a very brief overview of what I find helpful, and point them to the two primary sites I find most useful if they're interested in further investigation. This site is one and DietDoctor.com is the other.



Thanks I lvoe this site! Diet doctor as mentioned to another poster, I have frequented, but not much. Should stick around there a bit more methinks. Cheers
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Old Mon, Oct-09-17, 04:56
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As others have already written, my go to LC doctor website is DietDoctor. I hand out card with this web address: https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb

That intro page covers all the basics, recipes, has his "food revolution" video, hundreds of success stories in four age gender groups, the science of the diet, etc. so offers everything needed to start learning LC...from science studies in print to simple videos.
In the "top low carb basics video" section of that page, they can watch many talks and interviews with Dr Westman (for locals to me we are primarily talking about his clinic program) This same section also has videos with Dr Phinney, Naiman, Fung, etc. If someone is willing to spend the time learning, that one DietDoctor page has everything, with links to more details if wanted, e.g. Why Fat is healthy. https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/fat-your-friend If this extensive one page with all its embedded info still isn't enough, they can email me for favorite books in our library, studies on Keto and cancer, etc.


Thanks again. I used to follow Ted Naiman, but stopped. Think he can get a little full of himself, often putting down other people's dietary choices which came across immature and I'm not into that. But the others you mentioedn, I am aware of their work and impressed. Shall hang out at diet doctor a bit more often. Thanks!
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Old Mon, Oct-09-17, 04:57
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I am weak with laughter. Sadly so.

My having lost 80 pounds and kept it off since 2003 and not taking any of the medications my peers are loaded up on, all while not dying of "Atkins" is the most convincing thing about me



Awesome!
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Old Mon, Oct-09-17, 04:58
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Here's a link to 23 peer reviewed studies. https://www.healthline.com/nutritio...d-low-fat-diets


OOOHHH Thanks!
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Old Mon, Oct-09-17, 05:48
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Those are good RCTs but dated. Recently there have been three meta-analyses that sweep up those earlier studies and continue to show LC works. The Mansoor one is now often cited:

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb...w-fat-yet-again

And an earlier one in 2015 by Sackner-Bernstein:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb...ther-new-review

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https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/science
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Old Tue, Oct-10-17, 03:43
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Those are good RCTs but dated. Recently there have been three meta-analyses that sweep up those earlier studies and continue to show LC works. The Mansoor one is now often cited:

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb...w-fat-yet-again

And an earlier one in 2015 by Sackner-Bernstein:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb...ther-new-review

More:

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/science


Thank you and appreciated, a BIG help!
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Personally, I didnt mind paying for my first Dr Atkins book. Saw two women at work shedding the pounds right before my eyes but neither could explain it.With a solid nutrition background I wanted the science behind the effects....

Dr. A blew me away!!! He was spot on!!! For the first time I lost weight and felt great!!!!

Book was worth the price. Have bought many used editions since AND bought other used book on other low carb programs for the education, that is to compare info.

Protein Power and Dr A worth the money. BOth have a free website chocked full of great info.

Of course THIS forum is the best support ever for me.
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PS
Forgot to mention, I dont really try to convince others, they already have their mind made up based on misinformation. I now tell friends that listen to buy the book and read it.
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Watching Dr. Westman on the Science of LC videoed at Ketofest. Not great quality but a good talk, he shows the studies he considers most evidence. He mentioned that DietDoctor had been his go-to site for a full list of the studies, but now, even better is the UK Public Health Collaboration. https://phcuk.org

Lists of RCTs and Meta-Analysis are downloadable .pdf so can print. Also infographic versions. Some of them are quite long lists, so if you want to overwhelm with the evidence they may work.

https://phcuk.org/rcts/

Look around the website, I hadn't since Sam Feltham started it a while ago...much more on it now.

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