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Old Mon, Feb-12-07, 11:05
Zuleikaa Zuleikaa is offline
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i highly doubt that, seeing i get over 2000iu in supplements alone.

i dont think its any deficiency, i think its just because im working out alot now and consume alot of protein and fat.

ive always been a long and deep sleeper. (save when i was vegan, than i slept maybe 6 hours a night)
Well, it's winter; you live in Boston; the body uses a minimum of 4,000-7,000 IU/day of vitamin D during winter.

But ok.
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Old Tue, Feb-13-07, 10:09
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thanks for the info Zuleikaa, i was unaware of the abundant use of Vit. D in the winter. ill take that to heart and maybe up my Vit. D through the winter.

is it that we use more Vit D in the winter, or that were just not taking in as much as the summer?

BTW, im from western Mass, so i dont have that wicked Bahstin accent
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Old Tue, Feb-13-07, 10:14
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is it that we use more Vit D in the winter, or that were just not taking in as much as the summer?
We're not taking in/making any during winter.
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BTW, im from western Mass, so i dont have that wicked Bahstin accent
Well, I'm from Bahstin.
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Old Wed, Feb-14-07, 04:55
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Go to sleep - or you'll grow up short and fat
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Old Wed, Feb-14-07, 07:40
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Go to sleep - or you'll grow up short and fat
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does that mean you can get tall and skinny if you sleep 10+ hours a night and you're 18? I'm late into puberty, but I suppose it's worth a shot. The only problem with trying to sleep that much is I have to split it up into day and night. 9 hours at night and an hour or two during the day.
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Old Thu, Feb-22-07, 17:35
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Darkness is probably the key here - we need to get back to much more darkness, more consistently. Too much sleep (into the light) and too little (because you're using lights all the time are both harmful, and result in increased weight according to all the studies I've seen. Darkness gets Leptin and Ghrelin, the hunger hormones, working properly.

This is the "Photoperiod Effect" on health, and melatonin (the darkness hormone) is a big part of it, but only part.

I'm following a list of "Easy Ways to get more Natural Darkness" and have good results so far. I do recommend darkness.
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Old Tue, Mar-06-07, 03:40
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The Telegraph
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6 March, 2007


This could be your dream diet

According to new research, there might be an easy way to keep trim... stay in bed. Roger Highfield reports on evidence linking obesity with sleep deprivation

The discovery is enough to make you lose sleep: evidence is emerging of a link between a drop in the time society spends slumbering and the dramatic rise in obesity and associated diseases, such as diabetes and high blood pressure.

A flurry of worldwide research has established an intriguing connection between poor sleep and fat stomachs. This has a range of fascinating implications. Levels of obesity could be significantly cut by having a lie-in. Earlier bedtimes and later waking times could be an important, low-cost way to shrink waistlines. And children, in particular, could benefit.

One study featuring 18,000 adults participating in the US Government's National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey throughout the Eighties revealed a surprisingly strong link between waistlines and snoozing. Those who got fewer than four hours of sleep a night were 73 per cent more likely to be obese than those who got the recommended seven to nine hours. Those who averaged five hours had a 50 per cent greater risk, while those who got six hours had a 23 per cent greater risk.

"Maybe, there's a window of opportunity for helping people sleep more, and maybe that would help their weight," said Steven Heymsfield of Columbia University and St Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital in New York, who did the work with James Gangwisch at Columbia. A subsequent study by the same team also linked lack of sleep with high blood pressure.

The implications for children were revealed by a team at Northwestern University, Illinois, which studied 1,400 children aged from three to 12 over a five-year period. "Children who slept more weighed less and were less likely to be overweight five years later," said team member Emily Snell.

This chimed with an analysis from the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents And Children in the Nineties which, after tracking 13,000 British children as they grew up, concluded that poor sleep at 30 months predicts obesity at the age of seven years. "Earlier bedtimes, later wake times and later school start times could be an important and relatively low-cost strategy to help reduce childhood weight problems," says Snell. "We found even an hour of sleep makes a big difference."

Such studies have helped to convince Snell and others that reduced sleep causes weight problems not the reverse.

The sleep-weight link initially perplexed researchers. More time awake should mean more calories burnt. But people also eat when they're awake, and the effect of chronic sleep deprivation on the brain's food-seeking circuitry is what seems to be influencing obesity as well as raising the risk of insulin resistance, diabetes and heart disease.

One clue may lie in a type of brain cell found while studying narcolepsy, a condition marked by sudden bouts of deep sleep. These cells control our feeding and sleep circuits with the aid of chemicals called orexins. A lack of orexins makes people fall asleep, the right amount ensures both normal sleep and appetite.

Researchers have also found that not enough sleep causes changes in hormones that regulate appetite. Dr Shahrad Taheri from Bristol University, and colleagues in the University of Wisconsin and Stanford in America, examined the role of two hormones, leptin and ghrelin, in more than 1,000 volunteers under "real-life" conditions. Low levels of leptin and high levels of ghrelin will make you feel hungry.

Dr Taheri said: "We found that people who slept for shorter durations have reduced leptin and elevated ghrelin. Individuals who spent fewer than eight hours sleeping were shown to have a greater likelihood of being heavier." People who habitually slept for five hours were found to have 15 per cent more ghrelin than those who slept for eight hours. Complementing this was a 15 per cent fall in leptin. The bleary-eyed also seem to crave carbohydrate-rich foods.

Most recently, a molecular clue came from a study at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California by Manuel Sanchez-Alavez and Prof Tamas Bartfai, who were interested in the EP3 receptor, one of four types of molecular switches that respond to a type of hormone, called prostaglandin E2 (PGE2).

The Scripps team was studying mice that lack the EP3 receptor protein - and do not develop fevers - when they made a startling discovery: the mice were putting on lots of weight when they were four to five months old. It turned out that the mice without the EP3 protein were more active during the light hours -"night time" for mice, which are nocturnal - and, more importantly, were eating. The increased activity led to more energy expenditure but this did not burn enough of the extra calories and so these mice weighed 15 to 30 per cent more than normal mice.

The research to date chimes with the warning of many chronobiologists that our Stone Age bodies are not suited to today's 24/7 lifestyle. There is evidence that we have reduced the amount of time we spend asleep by up to two hours a night because of increasing pressures on our time, whether from work, school, family, television, computer games or the internet, said Dr Taheri.

He added that it is telling that between 1960 and 2000, the prevalence of obesity doubled in the population while the average number of hours slept per night was reduced. During the same period, the percentage of young adults who slept fewer than seven hours rose from 16 per cent to 37 per cent. Meanwhile, strenuous outdoors activity that helps us get a good night's sleep has declined.

To find out whether a prescription of more sleep can help fight flab, Giovanni Cizza at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases in Bethesda, Maryland, is recruiting 150 tired, obese people who sleep for six hours per night or less for a study. Some of them will be taught how to raise their sleep to seven-and-a-half hours so Cizza can test whether the extra sleep has an effect on weight, body fat, and leptin and ghrelin levels.

Even if the effects of shut-eye are not yet fully understood, and even if they only have a relatively small influence on body weight, they merit more study. Such is the scale of the obesity epidemic that if a simple measure such as encouraging children to sleep for a little longer has a measurable effect, this may be a potent new weapon in the fight against flab.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connecte...6/nsleep106.xml
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Old Thu, Jun-07-07, 02:18
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The Telegraph
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7 June, 2007


Lack of sleep 'is creating a zombie nation'

The rise of sleeplessness in increasingly sophisticated economies such as Britain could lead to the creation of a "zombie nation".

Scientists fear that this lack of sleep could sap the ability of Western society to develop the next generation of technology.

Because of the rise of cheap labour in countries such as China, there has been an increasing emphasis in the West on the ability to innovate.

The Chancellor, Gordon Brown, said he wanted Britain to lead the world in science.

But yesterday an eminent chronobiologist told the Cheltenham Science Festival, sponsored by The Daily Telegraph, that a "zombie nation" could sleep walk to economic disaster.

If given the chance, we spend more hours sleeping than doing anything else.

Symptoms of deprivation range from weight gain to irritability, hallucinations and depression, Prof Russell Foster, of Oxford University, told the event sponsored by Wellcome Trust.

Along with the rise of the light bulb, 24-hour society and shift work we might soon be able to drug ourselves to stay awake without resorting to caffeine or amphetamines, said Prof Foster.

He was referring to how the military already use a drug called modafinil to keep going for days.

"The problem is that shortened sleep directly impairs those brain mechanisms that allow our brain to innovate," the professor of circadian neuroscience said yesterday.

"There are two opposing interactions in the developed economies," he said. "First, extended work hours and increasing 24/7 behaviour is reducing the overall amount of sleep.

"Second, with the demise of manufacturing an increasing dependence on our ability to innovate and problem solve - the organisation of others. These two trends are, unfortunately, on a collision course".

Scientists estimate that in the early 1900s people slept for more than nine hours. In the 1960s they slept for more than eight. But now we are sleeping for about six hours.

Prof Foster has campaigned for years about how modern society means that we are sleep deprived, harming our mental dexterity, memory and health, as well as putting us at greater risk of accidents.


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Old Thu, Jun-07-07, 08:47
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Very interesting article on a topic that has affected a lot lately. There just doesn't seem like enough hours in the day to actually LIVE and not work.
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Old Thu, Jun-07-07, 14:10
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Very interesting article on a topic that has affected a lot lately. There just doesn't seem like enough hours in the day to actually LIVE and not work.


..or get all my college coursework done and even have enough time to sleep. After a full week of only getting 5-6 hours of sleep/night, I can really attest that it ruins my attitude. I think there must be a link to sleep deprivation and depression; or maybe a link to overwork and depression.

All work and NO play makes Jill a dull and depressed girl. *I'm going to bed early tonight, or at least try to.
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Old Sat, Jun-09-07, 13:27
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It would be nice if some of these researchers acknowledged T.S. Wiley's pioneering work in this area. I have lost all respect for scientists.
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Probably no one wants to really push the whole "get more sleep" thing...for one thing, there is no money for anyone to make by pushing it. (For example, the way the dairy board pushes milk, and so increases its profits, etc.)

Also, the more hours we are awake, the more we consume. For example, we eat more, use more electricity, watch more TV, go out to movies more, go out to fast food more, buy more energy pills, caffeinated drinks, and so forth. It would actually somewhat depress our economy if we all went to bed early every night.

So no one, (except each individual person) has anything to gain by encouraging us to sleep more.
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Old Thu, Jun-14-07, 04:01
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The Telegraph
London, UK
14 June, 2007


How sleeping puts athletes on fast track

By Nicole Martin

Sleep may hold the key to success in sport, researchers said yesterday.

They found that athletes performed better, ran faster and had higher energy levels after several weeks of extended sleep.

Researchers from Stanford University, California, published their findings after monitoring the performance of university basketball players for eight weeks.

For the first two weeks, the athletes slept for about six to eight hours a night.

Over the following six weeks, this increased to about 10 hours a night.

Researchers reported "significant improvements" in players' sprint times, shooting percentages and energy levels after a few weeks of extra sleep.

Cheri Mah, a research graduate who conducted the study, said: "Their sprinting times improved by a second, which in sporting terms is very important and can make a huge difference in a game."

Speaking at the annual meeting of Associated Professional Sleep Societies in Minnesota, she said: "Although much research has established the detrimental effects of sleep deprivation on cognitive function, mood and performance, relatively little research has investigated the effects of extra sleep over multiple nights, and even less on the specific relationship between extra sleep and athletic performance.

"We observed significant improvements in performance, including faster sprint time and increased free-throws. Athletes also reported increased energy and improved mood during practices and games."

Experts recommend that adults have between seven and eight hours of sleep a night to ensure they remain healthy and mentally well.

Recent studies have linked sleep deprivation to serious health problems such as an increased risk of depression, obesity, cardiovascular disease and diabetes.

Charlie Pedlar, a psychologist at the English Institute of Sport, said: "The importance of sleep cannot be underestimated.

"Effective rest is essential to aiding recovery and pre-competition preparation. It has been said that winning athletes are not those who train the hardest, but those who recover the most effectively."

But sleep is not always the key to success.

Graeme Obree, the Scottish racing cyclist who set a one-hour record in 1993, took a different approach the night before the record attempt.

To stop his aching body seizing up, he drank pint upon pint of water so that he had to wake up every couple of hours to go to the lavatory, allowing him to stretch his muscles.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...4/nsleep114.xml
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Wow, how do you get yourself to sleep 10 hours? I don't think I could, unless I'm really exhausted.
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Before I had to start getting up to drive my husband to work every morning, I could easily sleep for at least 10 hours every night. Sometimes 11. My sister is the same way. Nowdays I get 7-8 and I feel so wiped that I have to take a nap about half the time.
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