Ditto for me, Nancy. I have to watch the calories. Especially on high fat. It adds in calories very quickly, even if I do not eat many carbs or much protein, if I am high in the calories, I will gain.


Costello, Whatever works for you, then run with it. That is what is important. And sharing your experiences may help others like you who think they are all alone.

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/...day-61-90/15125

Jimmy's latest update.

Things of note:

He's showing a chart of serum and one of urine ketones because he's tracking both: The weight isn't exactly falling off him quickly. However, he's eating a huge amount of food. I wonder if he missed the part of Phinney and Voleck's book that said part of the fat you are consuming should be coming from body stores?

I am so happy to hear both of you say this. I have come to the same conclusion. It works because low carb is generally low calorie, because without carbs you break the addictive habit that carbs support or cause, and because you are less hungry. For me, as long as I am high-ish protein low carb, my appetite is low, even without ketosis per se.

Nancy, Thanks for posting Jimmy's latest blog. I was surprised to see the egg dish myself, but he is still a big man and will lose for awhile eating like that, however it will come to a standstill soon. And then he says he really does not care about losing a lot just how he feels and his health. He may not go as low as he was before.

I had a big, carby meal last night, here on my trip. I get home tonight and start back testing tomorrow. I do not expect to be in NK.

Does this have to be homemade broth? Are there any that will do in place of homemade?

Thanks!

He didn't specify. I'm using commercial. Just make sure it isn't low sodium!

Thank you! I'll get some organic broth at Trader Joe's today.

I use salt....add 1/4 tsp in water 2x a day. I do not like broth.

Here is an an interesting read about alcohol and NK

go here and read Dan Rose #56 http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthre...764#post8623764

Thanks for that link, Arlene. It gives me hope, lol.
I got the Phinney book yesterday from the library. Good reading for the weekend.

I plugged that meal pictured on Jimmy's blog into Fitday, and it's at least 1500 calories total. Holy moly! I know he's a big man, but that's a lot of calories for one meal. Didn't he say he's usually only eating twice a day now?

DAY 31 August 18, 2012
153.2
Fasting
Glucose 102
Ketones .4*

1264 calories
36 carbs (17 net)
50 protein
73 fat

*I knew these would be off, and know that by the end of the week, I will be right on again. HOWEVER… the only meal I did "cheated" on was the last dinner and even then, not by much.
VLC and calories (which means only one Tbs of coconut oil for may extra fat every day for this week, so it will look like a high protein week, and I will be back on track.

[QUOTE=gonwtwindo]Reposting from cnmlisa:


Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution
1992, 1999, 2002
p.143

“Although there is no need to count calories, they do matter. Gaining weight results from taking in more calories than you expend through exercise, thermogenesis, and other metabolic functions. Research has shown that on a controlled carbohydrate program, more calories are burned than in a low fat/high carb diet so that there is a certain metabolic advantage to the controlled carb approach. But understand that this does not give you a license to gorge.”



Dr. Atkins Super Energy Diet
1977
p.205

“If weight loss stops short of your ideal weight, even though you are producing ketones. You must conclude that the quantities within the diet are too great. The diet usually works best with just enough calories to stave off hunger. Too many people misinterpret the instructions regarding the diet as “Eat Unrestrictedly.” When they do this they will still lose weight in the beginning, which will reinforce their assurance that no heed whatever need be paid to quantities. In most cases, this practice will lead to a stalemate partway to the desired goal”.



p.205
“You may have to count calories in addition to carbohydrate. I have never said that calories don’t count, because I know of course that they do. I say that carbohydrate counts more. If your case is especially difficult, you may have to count both.

For most people, restricting carbohydrates is all that is necessary. However, there is no question that a 1500 calories 10 gram diet will take more weight off, and more quickly than a 2000 calorie-10 gram diet. So if you are having trouble losing you should cut down on your quantities, but not to the point where you where you have to put up with discomfort or hunger”



Dr. Atkins Diet Revolution
1972
p.275

“Q. Don’t calories play any role?

A. There’s no question—of course they do. A 1500-calorie, 10-gram diet will take more weight off—and more quickly—than a 2000-calorie, 10-gram diet. If the carbohydrate levels remain unchanged, then the extra caloric intake does make a difference. People who eat out of force of habit and don’t cut their quantities lose more slowly because of their high caloric intake.

If you can cut down on your quantities, you are better off to do so—but not when it gets to the point where you have to put up with discomfort or hunger.

I’m not saying that calories don’t count, I’m saying that a low calorie diet is a second best diet.”
[QUOTE]

Calories count for me.

DAY 32 August 19, 2012
152.2
Fasting
Glucose 90
Ketones .4*

936 calories
11carbs (7 net)
55 protein
76 fat

*Lost a pound of water yesterday, yea. It seems one meal can throw me out of Nutritional ketosis. What are the consequences? I still lose water weight, have not regained the hunger I had before, and will see if I continue to lose weight on lower calories (less fat). After I get back down to at least 150, I will start raising my protein and watch both levels to see the amount that causes changes.
I am not doing urine ketosis testing as Frankly, I forget!

I was at 1.1 this afternoon. I wasn't going to test until next week, but changed my mind.

I was reading more Phinney/Volck last night. They recommend an intake of 5g of sodium per day. I need to remember to drink my broth.