Active Low-Carber Forums
Atkins diet and low carb discussion provided free for information only, not as medical advice.
Home Plans Tips Recipes Tools Stories Studies Products
Active Low-Carber Forums
A sugar-free zone


Welcome to the Active Low-Carber Forums.
Support for Atkins diet, Protein Power, Neanderthin (Paleo Diet), CAD/CALP, Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution and any other healthy low-carb diet or plan, all are welcome in our lowcarb community. Forget starvation and fad diets -- join the healthy eating crowd! You may register by clicking here, it's free!

Go Back   Active Low-Carber Forums > Main Low-Carb Diets Forums & Support > Low-Carb Studies & Research / Media Watch > LC Research/Media
User Name
Password
FAQ Members Calendar Search Gallery My P.L.A.N. Survey


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 11:32
sara9683 sara9683 is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 82
 
Plan: LCHF - My own rules
Stats: 000/000/000 Female 61 inches
BF:
Progress: 41%
Default Coconut oil 'as unhealthy as beef fat'

Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 12:28
thud123's Avatar
thud123 thud123 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 7,422
 
Plan: P:E=>1 (Q3-22)
Stats: 168/100/82 Male 182cm
BF:
Progress: 79%
Default

I agree that coconut oil, beef tallow and butter are on par as far has health goes. Please, if you eat them, don't mix them with Grains, Potatoes or Sugars; poor health may result from this.
Reply With Quote
  #3   ^
Old Sat, Jun-17-17, 09:52
Bonnie OFS Bonnie OFS is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 2,573
 
Plan: Dr. Bernstein
Stats: 188/150/135 Female 5 ft 4 inches
BF:
Progress: 72%
Location: NE WA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thud123
I agree that coconut oil, beef tallow and butter are on par as far has health goes. Please, if you eat them, don't mix them with Grains, Potatoes or Sugars; poor health may result from this.


I've long thought it funny when I see advice to not eat donuts - not because of the carbs, but because they're fried in fat!
Reply With Quote
  #4   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 13:21
Merpig's Avatar
Merpig Merpig is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 7,582
 
Plan: EF/Fung IDM/keto
Stats: 375/225.4/175 Female 66.5 inches
BF:
Progress: 75%
Location: NE Florida
Default

https://usat.ly/2sABZX7
Quote:
The Dietary Fats and Cardiovascular Disease advisory~reviewed existing data on saturated fat, showing coconut oil increased LDL ("bad") cholesterol~in seven out of seven controlled trials.

Because coconut oil increases LDL cholesterol, a cause of CVD [cardiovascular disease], and has no known offsetting favorable effects, we advise against the use of coconut oil," the American Heart Association said in the Dietary Fats and Cardiovascular Disease advisory.~

Frank Sacks, lead author on the report, said he has no idea why people think coconut oil is~healthy.

Before you trash your coconut oil, know that saturated fat is a loaded term. While the AHA warns against it, people who cut saturated fat out of their diet might not necessarily lower their heart disease risk, a 2015~BMJ review suggested. That's because some people fill the void with sugar, white flour and empty calories. Also, some fat is imyportant to help bodies absorb nutrients from other foods. Many have said butter has gotten a bad reputation.~
Reply With Quote
  #5   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 14:56
deirdra's Avatar
deirdra deirdra is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 4,328
 
Plan: vLC/GF,CF,SF
Stats: 197/136/150 Female 66 inches
BF:
Progress: 130%
Location: Alberta
Default

The AHA would also advise you to have some "hearthealthy" Froot Loops instead.
Reply With Quote
  #6   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 14:59
Merpig's Avatar
Merpig Merpig is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 7,582
 
Plan: EF/Fung IDM/keto
Stats: 375/225.4/175 Female 66.5 inches
BF:
Progress: 75%
Location: NE Florida
Default

A new Fresh Market grocery opened near me this week and I went to take a look. They had both natural beef tallow and natural lard! I was so tempted, but I still have a lot of homemade lard that I rendered from a bunch of pig fat I bought from a local farmer.
Reply With Quote
  #7   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 15:43
Zei Zei is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 1,596
 
Plan: Carb reduction in general
Stats: 230/185/180 Female 5 ft 9 in
BF:
Progress: 90%
Location: Texas
Default

News flash: Carrots as unhealthy as Spinach!
Okay, seriously. No health benefit to coconut oil? I thought lauric acid, which is half of what's in coconut oil, is antimicrobial which sounds like a healthy thing to me. Also yes, saturated fat does raise LDL by making small dense particles "big and fluffy" which might be better so far as disease risk is concerned. Saturated fat also raises HDL, the one people generally like to see be high. And the usual nothing-to-see-here-folks-move-on old time belief high LDL was supposed to cause heart disease. Plus safflower oil being promoted as a "healthy" vegetable fat. Olive oil, yes. Safflower oil? Yikes! Somebody please pass the coconut oil!
Reply With Quote
  #8   ^
Old Mon, Jun-19-17, 08:47
Squarecube's Avatar
Squarecube Squarecube is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 877
 
Plan: atkins/paleo/IF
Stats: 186.5/159.0/160 Male 5' 11"
BF:
Progress: 104%
Location: NYC
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Merpig
A new Fresh Market grocery opened near me this week and I went to take a look. They had both natural beef tallow and natural lard! I was so tempted, but I still have a lot of homemade lard that I rendered from a bunch of pig fat I bought from a local farmer.


Be tempted. I purchased some recently cuz I've never seen it before. Do you like the smell of a standing rib roast cooking away in the kitchen, yum.
Reply With Quote
  #9   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 18:21
sara9683 sara9683 is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 82
 
Plan: LCHF - My own rules
Stats: 000/000/000 Female 61 inches
BF:
Progress: 41%
Default

As a new convert to coconut oil, I laughed when I saw this article so I had to share
Reply With Quote
  #10   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 19:01
GRB5111's Avatar
GRB5111 GRB5111 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 4,044
 
Plan: Very LC, Higher Protein
Stats: 227/186/185 Male 6' 0"
BF:
Progress: 98%
Location: Herndon, VA
Default

More of the saturated fat myth. Zoe Harcombe sets it straight:

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2009/10/...nsaturated-fat/
Reply With Quote
  #11   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 19:35
teaser's Avatar
teaser teaser is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 15,075
 
Plan: mostly milkfat
Stats: 190/152.4/154 Male 67inches
BF:
Progress: 104%
Location: Ontario
Default

Quote:
the average man should eat no more than 30g of saturated fat a day


I get in roughly four times that. Hope I'm okay. I don't feel congealed, but it's been pretty warm lately.
Reply With Quote
  #12   ^
Old Fri, Jun-16-17, 23:43
Bintang's Avatar
Bintang Bintang is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 258
 
Plan: MyOwn:CHO<90g/d
Stats: 207/149/150 Male 169 cm
BF:40%/17%/18%
Progress: 102%
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by teaser
I get in roughly four times that. Hope I'm okay. I don't feel congealed, but it's been pretty warm lately.


You are obviously not the 'average man' so you must be OK.
Reply With Quote
  #13   ^
Old Sat, Jun-17-17, 03:54
JEY100's Avatar
JEY100 JEY100 is online now
Posts: 13,442
 
Plan: P:E/DDF
Stats: 225/150/169 Female 5' 9"
BF:45%/28%/25%
Progress: 134%
Location: NC
Default

Gary Taubes was asked to write a comment about the new AHA statement on Fat, and in his usual style, it was expanded into a long and brilliant response about the scientific method. Francis Bacon vs the "Bing Crosby epidemiology" used by the AHA aboard.


Vegetable oils, (Francis) Bacon, Bing Crosby, and the American Heart Association

The human understanding, once it has adopted opinions, either because they were already accepted and believed, or because it likes them, draws everything else to support and agree with them. And though it may meet a greater number and weight of contrary instances, it will, with great and harmful prejudice, ignore or condemn or exclude them by introducing some distinction, in order that the authority of those earlier assumptions may remain intact and unharmed.
–Francis Bacon, Novum Organum, 1620


... [followed by description of AHA statement and the studies used to defend their long held views on saturated fats. Taubes call this...]

Quote:
A Scottish cardiologist/epidemiologist described this pseudoscientific methodology to me as “Bing Crosby epidemiology” – i.e., “accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative.” In short, it’s cherry picking, and it’s how a lawyer builds an argument but not how a scientist works to establish reliable knowledge, which is the goal of the enterprise. Not winning per se, but being right. It’s why I wrote in the epilogue of my first book on nutrition, Good Calories, Bad Calories, that I didn’t consider these people doing research in the nexus of diet, obesity and disease to be real scientists. They don’t want to know the truth; they only wanted to convince maybe themselves and certainly the rest of us that they already do and have all along. While all good science requires making judgments about what evidence is reliable and what isn’t, scientists have to do this keeping in mind that the first principle of good science, now quoting Feynman, “is that you must not fool yourself and you’re the easiest person to fool.” The history of science is littered with failed hypotheses based on selective interpretation of the evidence. Regrettably the AHA experts simply don’t believe that what’s true of far better scientists then themselves, could possibly be true of them as well.


Entire post at:

http://www.cardiobrief.org/2017/06/...rt-association/

Enjoy

Last edited by JEY100 : Sun, Jun-18-17 at 03:27.
Reply With Quote
  #14   ^
Old Sat, Jun-17-17, 05:39
thud123's Avatar
thud123 thud123 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 7,422
 
Plan: P:E=>1 (Q3-22)
Stats: 168/100/82 Male 182cm
BF:
Progress: 79%
Default

Quote:
now quoting Feynman, “is that you must not fool yourself and you’re the easiest person to fool.” The history of science is littered with failed hypotheses based on selective interpretation of the evidence.

Thud quoting Taubes quoting Feynman...

This doesn't not bode well for us doing n=1 experimentation and interpreting the results if this is true and we're not good scientists. I'm not sure about you others but I'm a pretty terrible scientist. However, I have change the way I eat and a certain results have precipitated, I think, mainly on account of diet. Why or exactly How or Why, I'll leave to experts.

For now I'll continue to base my diet around saturated fat, basic above ground vegetables, a few nuts and meat and keep an ear to the ground, ready to consider convincing evidence that there may be a long term problem with this approach that's not evident today.

Anyway, off to warm in the morning sunrise in the Northern Hemisphere of planet Earth.
Reply With Quote
  #15   ^
Old Sat, Jun-17-17, 05:51
cotonpal's Avatar
cotonpal cotonpal is online now
Senior Member
Posts: 5,314
 
Plan: very low carb real food
Stats: 245/125/135 Female 62
BF:
Progress: 109%
Location: Vermont
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thud123
This doesn't not bode well for us doing n=1 experimentation and interpreting the results if this is true and we're not good scientists. I'm not sure about you others but I'm a pretty terrible scientist. However, I have change the way I eat and a certain results have precipitated, I think, mainly on account of diet. Why or exactly How or Why, I'll leave to experts.

For now I'll continue to base my diet around saturated fat, basic above ground vegetables, a few nuts and meat and keep an ear to the ground, ready to consider convincing evidence that there may be a long term problem with this approach that's not evident today.

Anyway, off to warm in the morning sunrise in the Northern Hemisphere of planet Earth.


The mistake we make as n=1 experimenters is to both believe everything we think (this is working and this is the reason why) and to then generalize our results to everyone else (because it worked for me it will work for you). n=1 experiments are valuable as long as you don't assume that you have discovered some universal truth. Even in the lofty realms of science n=1 experiments have revealed some important knowledge when done with extreme care and understanding but that does not mean our n=1 experiments fall into that category. So carry on but be cautious with how you interpret your results.

Jean
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:12.


Copyright © 2000-2024 Active Low-Carber Forums @ forum.lowcarber.org
Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.