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Old Wed, May-05-04, 18:23
davecool davecool is offline
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Stats: 79/80/60 Male 1 meter and 79cm
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I have a Little bit of a gut. I belong to a gym and work out regularly. Everything is getting toned and "cut" muscular except for my gut. I do situps, crunches, i even used that abdomonizer thing and nothing seemed to work. I asked a guy at the gym and he said that no matter how many time i do situps, i'll never lose this gut because the fat is infront of the muscle. he also said that all situps do is streanthen the stomach muscle and doesnt do a thing about the fat that is there. is this true, and is there anything that will help me to lose this gut

thanks
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Old Wed, May-05-04, 19:50
LisaS LisaS is offline
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Plan: PPLP
Stats: 235/179/125 Female 5' 5"
BF:lots/less/<20%
Progress: 51%
Location: So Calif
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most men don't see a 6 pack until they are very low BF - like single-digit.
so - you probably just have to lose more fat.
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Old Wed, May-05-04, 21:16
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Plan: Zone
Stats: 255/242/230 Male 75 inches (6'3")
BF:21%/15%/8%
Progress: 52%
Location: Philly
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What he told you was true. You can not "spot reduce" abs.

You need a combination of proper dietary plan, weight training, and cardiovascular work to help strip the bodyfat away and let those abd pop through.
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Old Thu, May-06-04, 05:59
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Plan: Warrior LC
Stats: 222/201/191 Male 180 cm
BF:30%/12%/12%
Progress: 68%
Location: Holland
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I have the same problem. I train now my TVA only, because some people have a 'protruding belly' while the rest of the body is going OK.
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Old Thu, May-06-04, 07:12
davecool davecool is offline
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Originally Posted by Trainerdan
What he told you was true. You can not "spot reduce" abs.

You need a combination of proper dietary plan, weight training, and cardiovascular work to help strip the bodyfat away and let those abd pop through.




thankyou for your information the dietary plan how do i go about this and also i do a lot of cardiovascular work out at the gym and weight training but around my gut i have the layer of fat.does seem to what to leave my gut
my body weight is

10 half stone has well.
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Old Thu, May-06-04, 07:22
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Plan: south beach
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I have the same problem, no matter what I do that layer of fat won't budge! My boudy fat is around 7.5 and 30 inch waist and still nothing! Maybe the Atkins might help willing to try anything at this point as I work out and do cardio which only gets rid of fat everywhere but my belly!! Has enyone out there solved this problem and could offer advice???
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Old Thu, May-06-04, 15:05
LisaS LisaS is offline
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Plan: PPLP
Stats: 235/179/125 Female 5' 5"
BF:lots/less/<20%
Progress: 51%
Location: So Calif
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if you are truly not holding your fat anywhere else - that is you are truly lean or nearly so elsewhere - maybe topical yohimbe would assist you as you continue to diet & work out. I think there is a thread over in either CKD or BFL about it. Or try a google search.
here is a link to an article from someone not trying to sell you anything:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articl...ohimbine-01.htm
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articl...ohimbine-02.htm

IIRC, the author mostly talks about ingesting yohimbe and systemic effects on the receptors - but many seem to think that some of the better topical preparations available now can not only penetrate into the local tissue to have a local effect but remain fairly local w/out systemic effect.

Last edited by LisaS : Thu, May-06-04 at 15:14.
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Old Thu, May-06-04, 15:15
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Chipperoo Chipperoo is offline
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Plan: CKD
Stats: 272/219/210 Male 70.5 inches
BF:30+/20-21/14-15
Progress: 85%
Location: NW Georgia (Near Atlanta)
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I can hardly beleive that at 7.5% BF you cannot see your abs. All I can say is that maybe you just haven't worked enough at building your abs up. If they are, they shold show at 7.5 period. Do you do any weighted exercises for abs?
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Old Thu, May-06-04, 15:23
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loCarbJ loCarbJ is offline
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Plan: General Low Carb
Stats: 232/162/162 Male 69 inches
BF:30%/13%/11%
Progress: 100%
Location: San Jose, CA
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I've heard that some people are lucky enough to reveal their six-pack at 12% BF and that others don't reveal until they hit 6%. I work my abs HARD 4 times a week and have nothing to reveal, but then again I'm only at 13% BF.

J.
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Old Fri, May-07-04, 17:43
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Plan: Cyclic Ketogenic Diet (Ti
Stats: 212/149/140 Male 5'7
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Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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i'm at i think 17% bodyfat... here's a pic taken last month...



never really bothered much to work my abs directly... mostly work them indirectly when i do my other exercises... haven't been doing any sit-ups...hmmmm it might be time to start... so frustrating getting the layer of fat covering the abs... i guess i need to push my HIIT to get the washboard by summer

i'm pretty sure anyone in the single digit bodyfat range should have their abs showing

7.5% pretty low... that's really really sliced and muscles should look flexed even if they're not, might want to get your bodyfat tested again
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Old Mon, May-10-04, 01:19
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Plan: Warrior LC
Stats: 222/201/191 Male 180 cm
BF:30%/12%/12%
Progress: 68%
Location: Holland
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I would say you are 13-14% BF, looks good.
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Old Mon, May-10-04, 08:57
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legwarmers legwarmers is offline
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Plan: NHE
Stats: 135/133/140 Female 64"
BF:15%
Progress: -40%
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Originally Posted by davecool
thankyou for your information the dietary plan how do i go about this and also i do a lot of cardiovascular work out at the gym and weight training but around my gut i have the layer of fat.does seem to what to leave my gut
my body weight is

10 half stone has well.


excessive cardio will burn muscle.

as built always says, "fat loss is made in the kitchen"

what does your routine look like? splits/sets/reps?
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Old Mon, May-10-04, 12:48
davecool davecool is offline
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excessive cardio will burn muscle.

as built always says, "fat loss is made in the kitchen"

what does your routine look like? splits/sets/reps?



5 mile run at weekends

in the week i go gym 3 days a week

when i am in gym i work on my legs lifting 80kg 3 sets of 12 then at 40kg 3 sets of 12

then for my arms i do 3 sets of 12 at 40kg

on my back 40kg at 3 sets of 12

then on to my chest at 50kg 3 sets of 12

then 40 min bike ride
then i do 4 sets of 30 situps

then ather all then i do a 1 mile walk back home
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Old Tue, May-11-04, 10:23
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Plan: NHE
Stats: 135/133/140 Female 64"
BF:15%
Progress: -40%
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5 mile run at weekends

in the week i go gym 3 days a week

when i am in gym i work on my legs lifting 80kg 3 sets of 12 then at 40kg 3 sets of 12

then for my arms i do 3 sets of 12 at 40kg

on my back 40kg at 3 sets of 12

then on to my chest at 50kg 3 sets of 12

then 40 min bike ride
then i do 4 sets of 30 situps

then ather all then i do a 1 mile walk back home


this is what i would do (and in this order):

monday: quads/calves/tush
tues: HIIT
wed: hammies/shoulders
thurs: chest/tris
fri: back/biceps

monday: box squats, calf raises, ATF squats, 45 degree sled press, leg extensions at max weight for approx 6 reps each set. 3-4 sets. throw in some weighted incline crunches and hanging leg raises (do abs again 1-2 more times in the week).

tues: High Intensity Interval Training. http://www.youronlinefitness.com/Fi...al_training.htm

wed: stiff legged deadlifts (SLDL), standing or lying hamstring curls, dumbbell arnold press, barbell upright row, dumbbell row (w/ elbows out). for me, i did same sets and reps as outlined in monday's workout with lower body but i'd do pyramids with upper body - 12, 10, 8, maybe even 6 reps with increased weight on each set.

thurs: flat bench press (db or bb), incline bench press (flat or db), incline flyes, front dips w/ same reps/sets as for legs. for triceps i'd do pyramids of rope pushdowns and skullcrushers (lying bb extensions).

fri: seated cable row, bent over bb row, assisted chins (switch grip each week), regular or sumo deadlifts, hammer curls, preacher curls. for the rows and deadlifts i'd do the 6 rep max deal but for the biceps i used to tend to do pyramids.

lift heavy, hard, and until failure.

take in a fast absorbing shake post workout with a cap of ALA (i drink 1 scoop muscle milk by cytosport mixed with one scoop prolab whey)... and then one hour later eat another meal with protein. if you are eating high fat, low carb like i do, then just eat fat and protein and whatever carbs happen to be in there.

all exercise demos can be found at: http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

BUT do note that the bb row is done incorrectly on this site. keep the bar fairly close to chest at all times... don't drop it like the guy in the demo or it'll hurt like an SOB.
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Old Tue, May-11-04, 11:13
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Plan: NHE
Stats: 135/133/140 Female 64"
BF:15%
Progress: -40%
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oh, and after 3 of the workouts do 20 min of LIGHT but brisk cardio.
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