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By BENEDICT CAREY, Special from the Los Angeles Times
It seems that more people than ever are drinking more water than ever: College students bring bottles into classrooms; office workers nip from jugs all day long.

Many of us are like Gerri Johnson, a 56-year-old kindergarten teacher living in Manhattan Beach, Calif., who says, "I carry a bottle of water throughout the day, and I'm always drinking. It flushes out my body, and it's good for my skin."

At the same time, some nutritionists insist that half the country is walking around dehydrated. We drink too much coffee, tea, and sodas containing caffeine, which prompts the body to lose water, they say, and when we are dehydrated, we don't know enough to drink.

Can it be so? Should healthy adults really be stalking the water cooler to protect themselves from creeping dehydration?

Not at all, doctors say. "The notion that there is widespread dehydration has no basis in medical fact," says Dr. Robert Alpern, dean of the medical school at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas.

Doctors from a wide range of specialties agree: By all evidence, we are a well-hydrated nation. Furthermore, they say, the infatuation with water as an all-purpose health potion tonic for the skin, key to weight loss is a blend of fashion and fiction and very little science.

Consider that first commandment of good health: Drink at least eight, 8-ounce glasses of water a day.

This unquestioned rule is itself a question mark. Most nutritionists have no idea where it comes from. "I can't even tell you that," says Barbara Rolls, a nutrition researcher at Pennsylvania State University, "and I've written a book on water."

Some say the number was derived from fluid intake measurements taken decades ago among hospital patients on IVs; others say it's less a measure of what people need than a convenient reference point, especially for those who are prone to dehydration, such as many elderly people.

Kidney specialists do agree on one thing, however: the 8-by-8 rule is a gross overestimate of any required minimum. To replace daily losses of water, an average-size adult with healthy kidneys sitting in a temperate climate needs no more than one liter of fluid, according to Jurgen Schnermann, a kidney physiologist at the National Institutes of Health.

One liter is the equivalent of about four 8-ounce glasses. According to most estimates, that's roughly the amount of water most Americans get in solid food. In short, though doctors don't recommend it, many of us could cover our minimum daily water needs without drinking anything during the day.

The way it's almost always stated, in books, magazines, and newspapers, the 8-by-8 rule specifically discounts caffeinated beverages. This is flat wrong. Caffeine does cause a loss of water, but only a fraction of what you're adding by drinking the beverage. In people who don't regularly consume caffeine, for example, researchers say that a cup of java actually adds about two-thirds the amount of hydrating fluid that's in a cup of water.

Regular coffee and tea drinkers become accustomed to caffeine and lose little, if any, fluid. In a study published in the October issue of the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, researchers at the Center for Human Nutrition in Omaha, Neb., measured how different combinations of water, coffee, and caffeinated sodas affected the hydration status of 18 healthy adults who drink caffeinated beverages routinely.

"We found no significant differences at all," says nutritionist Ann Grandjean, the study's lead author. "The purpose of the study was to find out if caffeine is dehydrating in healthy people who are drinking normal amounts of it. It is not."

The same goes for tea, juice, milk, and caffeinated sodas: One glass provides about the same amount of hydrating fluid as a glass of water.

The only common drinks that produce a net loss of fluids are those containing alcohol and usually it takes more than one of those to cause noticeable dehydration, doctors say.

Now, take a close look at a survey released this May by the International Bottled Water Association. Based on interviews with 2,818 adults in 14 U.S. cities, the association concluded that "although an overwhelming majority of Americans know that drinking water enhances health, most don't drink as much per day as they should." Yet, according to the association's own numbers, Americans say they drink an average of 6.1 glasses of water, 3.7 servings of soda or sports drinks, 3.2 of coffee and tea, 1.9 of juice, 1.7 of milk, and one alcoholic drink each day.

All told, after subtracting the alcoholic drink, that's a sopping 15 glasses of hydrating fluids, well above the already exaggerated "minimum." And it doesn't even include the three or four glasses contained in solid food.

For some people, drinking plenty of water is a very good idea. As we age, for example, many of us grow less sensitive to losses of body water and don't drink when we should. Developing a water habit is a good precaution against dehydration.

In addition, researchers have good evidence that people who develop kidney stones can lower their risk of further problems by drinking more fluids. "Those are the only patients we would tell to drink more water," says Alpern.

Of course, if you're healthy, and you're laboring over the stair machine, playing basketball, or even gardening in a hot, dry climate, you're going to need a lot more than a liter to keep you hydrated. But you hardly need a nutritionist or a doctor to tell you that.

"You're dying of thirst," says Alpern. "The thirst mechanism is one of the most powerful and sensitive of all the body's regulatory processes."

Robertson says that this mechanism almost always kicks in when we've lost between 1 percent and 2 percent of body water. "There's no evidence that this 1 to 2 percent decrease is harmful in any way," he says.

"Thus, there is really no need to prevent this slight decrease in body water by drinking a specified amount in the absence of thirst."

You may get a headache when dehydrated, and your skin may look ragged and dry. A tall, cool glass of water or soda or iced tea will soothe your head and revive your skin in most cases, doctors say but only if you're dehydrated to start with.

"If you're a normally hydrated person, like you or me," says Dr. David Rish, a dermatologist in Beverly Hills, "then drinking extra water is not going to do anything for your skin. If your skin is dry and you're hydrated, the best thing to do is apply lotion."

Perhaps most cruelly of all, there's no good evidence that drinking water significantly curbs appetite. "I think that's mostly an invention of the diet industry," says Carolyn Katzin, a nutritionist in Los Angeles who runs the American Cancer Society's nutrition program in California. "A better way to get water is in fruits and vegetables." "This is really the way the body is engineered to get water in food, in soup, in fruits and vegetables, which are almost all water," says UCLA psychologist William McCarthy, who's also director of science at the Pritikin Longevity Center in Santa Monica, Calif.

"When we get water in this food matrix, it stays with us for a while. Whereas when we drink liquid water, it goes right through the body. I see all these people carrying around their water bottles like talismans to protect them from disease and weight gain. Well, lots of that water is going into the stomach and right out."

Not that it's doing any mischief in healthy adults along the way.

"You know, I get patients in my office all the time, saying, I've been real good, doc, I'm drinking seven glasses of water a day," says Alpern. "And I leave them alone. It's certainly not doing them any harm, and it's a lot better than other habits they could have."


Copyright: (C) 2000 The Record, Northern New Jersey. via Bell&Howell Information and Learning Company; All Rights Reserved


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Consider that first commandment of good health: Drink at least eight, 8-ounce glasses of water a day.

This unquestioned rule is itself a question mark. Most nutritionists have no idea where it comes from. "I can't even tell you that," says Barbara Rolls, a nutrition researcher at Pennsylvania State University, "and I've written a book on water."


What an eye opener! Now I'll feel less guilty about my coffee and tea.

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How nice that a dermatologist in sunny, temperate Beverly Hills doesn't see a need to consume any more fluid than is found in our solid food. What a load of mongoose sh*t.

Canadians, and northern US citizens spend 8 out of 12 months enduring a cold, dry climate, not balmy temperate breezes wafting over the ocean. When we're not outside freezing our asses off, we're indoors in parched, dry heated offices, malls, schools and homes. Relative humidity drops to 18 - 20%, when it needs to be 45 to 50% just for comfort, forget about health. Houseplants turn brown and flop over, we are zapped constantly from static electricity, we spend a fortune on moisturizers for skin and hair. We buy medicated, moisturizing balms for lips and noses, soothing drops for our dehydrated eyeballs.

Come the summer, we fry. 30 degrees C. becomes 40 degrees with the humidex factor, and I don't know about you, but I sweat buckets and buckets. Then we go into air-conditioned buildings to dry out.

At least the article does make the observation that you need more fluids if you are exercising, etc., and with aging, and in warm weather.

With lowcarbing, and ketogenic diets, we need to ensure adequate fluids to keep the metabolic wastes of fat-burning flushed out of the system.

True, other non-carbohydrate fluids are just as "hydrating" as plain water, but most of the concern isn't about that, it has to do with the other chemicals that are IN the fluid. The concern about caffeine and lowcarbing isn't over its slight diuretic effect, it has to do with its stimulating effect on INSULIN. Diet soda pop is a concern because of the aspartame, phosphoric acid, sodium and citrates in them. Coffee, by the way, is not carb-free. It has 0.8 grams in a small 6 oz cup. Most coffee mugs in peoples' homes are 10 oz. Three of those a day is 30 oz of coffee, or 4 carb grams. Add in the sweetener packets and the cream .......

Sorry, I'll stop ranting now. Do I drink 2 liters of plain water a day. Almost, a 4-liter jug lasts 2 to 3 days, but that's over and above the filtered water I use for tea and coffee. I get genuinely thirsty throughout the day, and water quenches it better than anything. And it's cheap too.

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How nice that a dermatologist in sunny, temperate Beverly Hills doesn't see a need to consume any more fluid than is found in our solid food. What a load of mongoose sh*t.


Doreen, I quite disagree with your summary. The article clearly sited more points than the observations of "a dermatologist ..."

Now we all hear the 2 litres/day advice, and some say "a must", but we as low-carbers know better than to follow advice blindly without hard facts. It might be true, but it's a good to know why, and based on what.

What made sense to me in the article is the body signals for thirst. This is just my opinion that we evolved eating when hungrry (mostly protein and fat), and drinking when thirsty (mostly water).

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I stand corrected. Sorry.

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[Edited by doreen T on 23-12-00 at 22:02]
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I think you would do well to read some information at the following site. http://tendonband.com/water.htm.

Seems to me this is a pretty valid study.
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Good article Brian,

There's an extra period in the URL which gives an error page, here's the link for those interested:

http://tendonband.com/water.htm
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