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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 19:24
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Plan: no fake foods lo-0 carbs
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Bear how rare do you eat your fish...or better yet what kinds of fish are safe to eat rare? I have seen too many shows where people have got parisites from rare fish
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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 20:01
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Bear,
you must be right! The last 36 days of my diet have proven you right in your above statements you made in your last post! The body DOES KNOW! i have put all my food into fitday for 36 days, just to see what i am eating and make sure i was on the right track. I wasnt trying for any certain amount of calories or fat grams or protein. The ONLY thing i was counting was carbs and staying under 20 a day. Fitday shows that when i eat when i am hungry and stick mostly to meat,eggs and fat..my body naturally eats around 70% fat and 30% protein. EVERY DAY. My fat over 36 days has ranged from 65-78%..never under or over that amount. The calories have ranged from 1400-2300 per day, but seem to average around 1800 to 1900 calories (of course thats with 20 carbs per day. I'd be willing to BET that by eating only carbs from eggs or cheese (5 or under per day) that those calories would shoot up to average 2,000 or more a day and i bet my fat would stay in about the same range maybe on the higer side towards the 78%. And since there hasnt been a change in 36 days i guess my body has just naturally eaten exactly what it should be eating (except for those extra 20 carbs i was giving it). I am SICK to death of plugging every morsel into fit day, only for it to tell me the same thing every day anyway!! lol You have freed me to just go, eat and enjoy my food and not be a slave to my scale and my fitday stats..thanks Bear! i am off to eat some eggs...ahhhh freedom!
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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 20:07
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Bear,
i think you forgot to answer my questions from post 984. You can forget the question about the olive oil, i went back and found the post about the olive oil in the beginning of this thread. I decided to ditch the olive oil altogether. If i am gonna eat the way you do, i may as well follow all your advice!! Do you ever cook your eggs in coconut oil? Do you use coconut oil often?
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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 20:15
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Carb intake and low fat is the most likely reason for no loss. I have seen many who cannot lose past a certain point on 20 gm carbs/day. I don't see this happening on 5 gm or less.



THATS ME!!! I have been faithful to under 20 carbs a day for 5 weeks..and guess what?? The first 3 weeks i lost great (8lbs week 1, 4 lbs week 2 and 3 lbs week 3). Then i lost NOTHING on week 4, and i gained a lb on week 5. i never cheated once! i was strictly following the induction rules. YET...i stopped losing!!! I am gonna take your word for it that its the 20 carbs that stopped me from continued loss.
Your right, i am one of those that have been doing lots of THINKING..but its time to stop putzing around and start DOING this carnivore thing!! Wish me Luck Bear...i need it!! i made it through today just fine!!
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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 20:52
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Avoid peanut butter, it is toxic, very hard to digest (somewhat constipating), and and pretty carby- the oil is unsat-heavy. Coconut meat may also be carby, how much depends on the method of preparation from the seed- many propcessor add sugar. Why eat such stuff? It is not good to stress your insides this way with roughage.

Parasites are found in fresh water fish from the US great lakes, and from some European fresh water locations- the parasite in question is the broad or fish tapeworm, diphyllobrothrium lata. Some coastal pacific ocean species like salmon often carry the cisterciae (resting larval phase) of a parasite of seals, the so-called 'sushi worm'. Properly trained Japanese sushi chefs are trained to find and discard the cisterciae. Sushi worms cannot penetrate the human stomach but cause a kind of ulcer-like discomfort for a few weeks until it dies. I once got some from eating sashimi from the fatty belly part of a salmon I had caught. Otherwise, all salt water fish if very fresh are good raw, as are most farmed freshies. We raise fish here in our dam. If you are in doubt, freezing fish destroys any parasites present.

I rarely use oils- perhaps some mac nut oil with butter for fish. I prefer animal fats. I see no problem with spice mixes, I use many of Peter Watson's brilliant ones. That said, a true carnivore LOVES the plain meat taste, and really needs little in the way of spices- it is just for the occasional 'entertainment' value.

Ok, here is another of my unique recipes- this one is for you egg lovers out there.

The -wich story. A ham 'sandwich' could be called a ham 'breadwich'. In this way you can construct various names for other meaty dishes by substituting something else for the bread covers.

Eggs and cheese can make two kinds of -wich, the cheese eggwich and the egg cheesewich. The eggwich has eggs on the outside, and is a hot dish- the cheesewich has cold poached or fried egg between thick slices of cheese, good for a bag lunch. We are going to describe how to make the first one, usually eaten as a hot lunch or brekky:

In an 8 in (20cm) skillet with butter (Scanpan Ceramic Titanium is best) on low heat, break three eggs and break their yolks.

Add a very light sprinkle of chilli powder (like Texas Gunpowder, which is dried jalapeņa) and fresh grind on a little black pepper (don't over-do the peppers). Other spices can be experimented with, but the two peppers do just fine. Layer on thin slices of cheese, like cheddar, Jarlsberg etc.- enough to cover the eggs.

Break on top, two more eggs and break their yolks. Carefully see to it that the cheese is covered with egg. Add some more butter. Watch closely and when the bottom eggs are just jelled, carefully flip the mass over, cook for a short additional time and serve.

It will take some practice to get it right, but once you do, it is easy and a true delight. It is one of our favourites around here. Properly done, the melted cheese is nicely sealed between two layers of egg, with a pleasant colour on the outside. Kids love it.

In fact- everyone loves a cheese eggwich.

Last edited by theBear : Tue, Mar-28-06 at 21:32. Reason: corrections
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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 23:10
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Plan: antivegan,was subzerocarb
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That is what I LOVE... melted cheese over fried eggs! I will definitely try this way of doing it! Thanks, Bear!
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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 23:22
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Melted cheese INSIDE fried eggs!
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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 23:32
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Plan: antivegan,was subzerocarb
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Melted cheese INSIDE fried eggs!
Right... what I mean is, in the past, I have always enjoyed melted cheese over fried eggs, and will now "try this way of doing it" (meaning the way you described... cheese on the inside). Sorry, I was not very clear. My brain is fried! Bad joke, I know!

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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 23:42
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Man... this thread is getting VERY LONG! This is post #999! And, the next post will be post #1000!
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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 23:43
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See what I mean... here it is... post #1000!


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Old Tue, Mar-28-06, 23:54
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Must something here of value. Or at least, of interest.
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Old Wed, Mar-29-06, 00:01
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Must something here of value. Or at least, of interest.
Well... if you read through a lot of the threads on this forum, you will notice a "trend"... that is, people having problems losing while eating fruits and nuts and other such carbs (even though this is "legal" on paleo diets). You will also notice many people questioning even eating veggies... and admitting that they rarely do. You will also find people speaking of eating 80% fat... eating lots of saturated animal fat... etc., etc. I mean, seriously. Just read this short thread as only one example of what I'm talking about. And, notice the dates!

THEN, you come along and it is like Whoa! Too much for most people to even deal with. Here is someone telling them things they already suspected!... and LIVING this way for 47 frickin' years! I think that is the "something of value" that is hitting home. Even those that say they disagree are peeking into this thread and wondering... yah... you know who you are! Like YOU!!!

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Old Wed, Mar-29-06, 00:16
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Default Bear- are there others eating like you?

Bear.

Do you know others that are eating your way and for how long?
If so, are they folks that you communicate with and might they be interested in joining this conversation and share their experiences too?

Deano, you get 1st prize (a steak) for the 1000th post! Just throw me a bone for 1002- and I'll eat the marrow....
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Old Wed, Mar-29-06, 00:19
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Okay, Bear got second, I got 3rd.
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Old Wed, Mar-29-06, 00:21
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that cheese eggwich sounds delicious Bear! i will definitely try it. I love when you post your recipes! Keep em coming!! (i have all your recipes written down.) This week i am definitely cooking that Chicken with the cream cheese and butter inside!! I can't believe i am finally breaking down and trying your WOE! I kept telling myself i could never do it. Now i actually believe i can. Just think ..47 yrs from now i will come back here and start a thread just like yours..he he!! My in-laws are gonna think I'm a nutcase when i go there for EAster dinner...lol
Bear, i am really glad you came here and shared your WOE with us!! Some of us really needed to hear what you have to say, even though we want to fight it every step of the way..lol. Ok, its very late and i am getting giddy.
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