I know everyone seems to be saying to limit protein, but I have found that the only snacks that get me through from lunch to a late dinner, which I have on Tuesdays because of dance class, are protein snacks like chicken or jerky. Nuts, which have too many carbs for me, only make me hungrier.

I've been finding that I feel better with more protein and less carbs. But I did realize recently that my serotonin levels were dropping (based on mood and a developing depression caused by stress), so I upped my carbs before bed for a short time and "snapped out of it."

Wanda said:


It was in her first book. And I still follow that advice because I have a low tollerance for starchy carbs. However, in her second book she categorically says not to do that. A total reversal.

I'm still tweaking, even after over 1 1/2 years. One of these days I'll get it right for me.

Hi Deb

Good to hear from ya!!


I didn't remember that. I must have selective memory. I guess that wouldn't be the first time she changed her mind.


Glad to hear of veterans tweaking. I've been feeling a lot of guilt over my need to tweak the program. How stupid is that, especially when I know how important it is to tweak every program for individual differences.


I've been toying lately with equal grams of protein:carbs and I'm really liking the effect so far.

Wanda

Thanks, Wanda. I lurk more than particapte lately due to time constraints -- I'm just too busy! But I did just post a long message in the general low carb section.

You said:


That's a lot more carbs than I can deal with. I'm finding more and more that I feel much better staying away from starches (grains) and sweets. I do, however, get some carbs from yogurt and wine (both drinking and cooking) and other non-grain sources like avocados, etc. Whenever I do try to add in some more starches, I don't feel well.

Hi Deb:


Hope you didn't think that was a suggestion. Just goin' along with your point about the protein. But I see I made a mistake. I meant veggies and carbs together, not just starchy carbs alone. I've been experimenting on my program and it's just easier to let the program tell me the carbs than to sort it all out into carbs and veggies. So equal total carbs : protein seems to be working well with my experimenting.

Everyone is so different in how they react to foods. It can certainly be a daunting task trying to sort it all out. Sounds like you're getting there.

Off to check out your post.
Wanda

Hi Girls
I usually just post over in the Paleo section - but I've been reading this thread and I thought I'd say hi.

Nitrovixen:
What I try to do whenever I want to lose weight is to eat really "cleanly". What I mean by that is to try and cut out all condiments, sauces, artifical sweeteners, processed foods or beverages - even if it's just for a week or two. This will really help to get rid of any hidden ingredients that could be causing the weight gain or lack of weight-loss.

I agree too that HIGH FAT & HIGH CARB DO NOT go together!! Right niw I would say I am eating
LOW- TO MODERATE CARBS (in the form of mostly raw veggies & some fruits - very low on the starches, grains, pastas, potatoes etc.)
MODERATE FAT (in the form of animal fat such as a little raw butter, fat on a steak, coconut oil, olive oil )
MODERATE PROTEIN (in the form of red meat, seafood, poultry, raw egg yolks)

On this diet - I easily maintain 125 pounds on my 5'7" Frame. I do not exercise much - maybe a few days out of the week/cardio - a little weight lifting here and there. But before you say I must have a somewhat fast metabolism, I don't. If I were to start eating breads, beans, potatoes, pastas etc - I would blow up like the Pillsbury Dough Girls- Puffy, Pasty, & Pale!!

Before you think this is like Atkins - it isn't because I don't believe in the daily use of AS, Dairy Products, or Packaged foods.

Give it a try maybe - if you still really are concerned maybe you can find an actual doctor or health specialist who knows about the Schwarzbein method and can help you determine if this phase is simply part of the program or if you are veering off-track -

Good Luck
Sunkist

I just had to jump in here and reply to Sunkist (even though I too am no longer on Shwarzbein--loved her book, philosophy etc...--GAINED weight and felt bloated). Tried to go back to Atkins Induction --lost nothing--tried Meat fast eating only roast turkey (I roasted it myself) and legal veggies for a week and GAINED more weight! I was up to 159--Out of desparation (and panic), I started Atkins Fat Fast a week ago Tuesday--did that for 4 days, then started Modified Fat fast--anyway at least as of yesterday I was down to 154.4 (I won't even count it as that unless I am there today--however, I had been holding at 155 for the last 4 days. I guess this tells me that my body needs a higher fat to protein ratio with really low carbs.

Carol

I too do wello on higher fat - just as long as I am disciplined enough to cut carbs. I feel much better with lower crabs (aaaghhh - ha ha - I mean "CARBS")in general - not as strict as say induction on Atkins - but just lower carb and also WHAT carbs I eat - very important

Congrats 00wwow!!!

holy cow! I didn't visit the forum for a day and my thread exploded!

1whowaits: I sure wish it was "in" to look like a botticelli babe! I'm all for that.

I am SO bad.. I innocently decided I was going to enjoy a cup of sugar free chai (I'm trying to rid my house of all my sugar free stuff, but it's a long process-I'm holding on to it all for my mom who is supposed to be visiting in the next few months) Then I got totally out of control and ate a whole bunch of keto cereal w/ AS, and ended up buying coffeecake last night! AS make me go crazy just like regular sugar. I guess Schwarzbein is right about how bad they are.
I seem to do just fine with whole foods- protein, fat, nonstarchy veggies and even carbs (the good kind) Everything except almond butter and AS (which we aren't supposed to have anyway).

Sunkist: congratulations on reaching your goal! I could never get down to my goal weight so gave up and did Schwarzbein. Sometimes I want to go back on low carb for awhile and drop some weight then get back on Schwarzbein, but I'm pretty sure I'd just gain it right back. Everyone says after doing SB and going back to low carb they don't lose weight, I wonder what that's about? I've noticed every time I do go back it gets harder and harder to lose. I exercise 4-5 times a week (Tai Bo and the Firm for weights and resistance) but I think what I eat is too much for the activity level, that must be why I am gaining weight. I've always been a very compulsive eater, I'm lucky I'm not obese. I need to find a way to change my habits before it happens. I'm trying the moderation thing, but sometimes my growling stomach gets the better of me. Thanks for the advise!

Thank you all for all your posts. I also just switched to SP2 from Atkins and it is SCARY! Your tips about amounts of fat ingested I think are right on. I'll watch it! I need to get her cookbook too I think.

Thanks for being here!

I just wanted to add one thought to this thread, again working from my understanding of Schwarzbein.

The warning is there that at first if you are doing major healing you may well "explode" at first. I did two years ago, and I know its depressing. I REALLY DO!
But then she notes that this is about healing first and then your correct body weight will come and no.. you won't be fat :-)
My sister keeps reminding me that is really key.