I agree that you should ignore those that want to side track you into other issues. You have posted a lot of things, and a lot of people are trying to pick at everything you state. But, you can and should simply ignore those "challenges" (we'll call them) which you don't want to answer. And, don't worry about people attacking you for not answering or accusing you of ignoring them. Just let it go. You don't owe anyone any answers. This is just a discussion forum.Does this mean you want to discuss ways to stay on this path, rather than argue the merit of this path? I think there are those that would like to know how best to stay on this path. Since you obviously have the longest experience in doing so, you would be a good one to ask.Just how drastic a change do you think one needs to make in order to see appreciable benefits?One thing you might consider is to just "jump off" this thread, and start up another one, with whatever issues you want to discuss. That is how it works around here... happens all the time. Or, at least make that clear in a post on this thread... which I guess you are doing with this last post of yours. I am wondering, though, what it is you DO want to discuss. The reason I suggest starting another thread, is you can "narrow" the focus of what you want to discuss that way. It's really up to you.

I think this thread will continue, either way, since there are lots of people who want to argue what the "real human diet" is. That is one of the reasons for the whole "paleo diet" in the first place. Anyway, this thread will continue... trust me... you started something that is just "too controversial" to go away that quickly. And, I guess lots of threads can get a little "wide" with various related topics. But, you are more than welcome to "bow out", start another thread, or simply "lay down the law" on what you want to talk about.

I will say I am thankful for the input you have given to this forum, no matter how "controversial" it has been.

You know what? You are right. I am wasting my valuable time too. I can see that your purpose here on this forum is not to learn or to have a dialogue, but to gather disciples. That is fine. I am going to just bow out of this thread completely. Then you can be free to post anything you want about human evolution and/or our place in nature without any kind of reference whatsoever and make completely untrue statements without the bother of anyone questioning you. I'll be happier and I am sure you and your followers will be too.

Hahaha...I gather that you sense an air of cultishness in our midst?

Nice post Deano, my sentiments exactly. The only time I was really successful on the diet is when I was getting advice from Bear. My problem was was that I was getting the great advice and then essentially doing a modified Atkins/Protein Power diet and never made the break from veggies/low carb starches and products. His advice was superb nonetheless and really helped me remain focused on the diet.

That was why I contacted him again this time. Nobody can keep me on the path but myself, but, at least for me, I need support and help, especially after I LOSE the weight. That's when I'm most motivated, when I'm at my fattest. If people want to knock Bear's posts to score debate points, more power to them, but the man has been eating this way for 47 fricking years! I wanna know what he has to say on how and why he's been able to do it.

I look up at the thread location and see it's under "daily low-carb support". That's what I'm here for, to stay in contact with other people on an all-meat diet so that I can remain focused and get insights and tips. So far it's only been 3 weeks on meat/eggs/cheese but I know at some point I'll need support because to think I've mentally conquered my mind about eating this way in that time is the path to failure.

One thing is for certain though, and that is that I'm absolutely sick and tired of the flab and the immobility and poor health. I hate it and I can't continue being this heavy.

Yes, just where do these Atkins people come from?

Please correct me if I'm wrong (since both Protein Power and Protein Power Lifeplan are in other hands at the moment), but didn't the Drs. Eades state that only fats and proteins were essential for life and that carbohydrates are completely non-essential. So why would we need vegetables?

Thebear is not arguing the healthfulness of a carnivorous diet (which, I have concluded, it probably is for at least some people with high metabolic needs). He is insisting eating any way BUT similar to how he eats is unhealthy and unnatural.

Bear,

I've been intrigued all along by your story and have been convinced along with my wife to try going zero-carb. In just a few days, some of the results you claim, such as not being hungry and having more energy are already manifesting themselves. We are open to new ideas and experimentation.

But what you're saying is, "Don't to waste time questioning me--accept what I have told you as gospel because 47 years of living this way has essentially proven me to be correct on every subject. And although I may claim that sources you read are false, all of the sources I have used to verify my information are absolutely true beyond a shadow of a doubt." The people on this board are interested in the truth, but because there are so many out there who claim to know have a monopoly on it, we need to have verification. When you make claims such as yours, you have to expect scrutiny.

Ok..i started my meat and eggs fast today!! We'll see how long i last..lol. But i figure, i gotta try it and see what it does for me. i am eating only meat, fish, poultry, eggs, butter, mayo and 1-2 cups of coffee with a splash of cream per day! I'll let ya'll know how it goes. My weigh in this morning for week 3 of induction was 3 lbs lost. I have lost 15 lbs in 3 weeks on induction..i am hoping this meat and egg fast will take off atleast 5 lbs this week..we'll see !!

Bear

I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have eaten only meat, eggs and cheese for most of my life. However I have constantly but drawn back into eating carbs – mostly vegetable because they are good for me by my loving family. I have never been sure and certainly did not think that they were right because I have always felt better when I eat mostly protein and fat. I have always loved the fat on the meat and would even clean off other family members fat. If I start to eat any sort of carbs even vegetables I develop a terrible sweet tooth. You, by going against the grain have made probably not only my life but also the lives of many other people much easier.

I appreciate the fact that you have had and I guess still are having to deal with those people that do not subscribe to this way of eating. You have proved to me and probably to most others that you really can live without vegetables and not be sickly or die a slow and horrible death.

Again, I thank you. By the way, I am 62 years old and in excellent health.

I am exactly the same way. Even cheese is a trigger for me. I am switching back to the only thing that has ever been successful for me, meat, fat and eggs.

thebear, you may have been on a VLC diet for longer than most of us (I think Duparc has been VLC quite a long time as well, where are you Duparc?) but you may not realize that prior to your entrance on this forum, a number of us had already discovered much the same for ourselves.

To be blunt - you have a tendency to engage in ad-hominem attacks against those who disagree with you (for example, accusing people of poor reading comprehension), but perhaps if you take the time to read what others have to say on the Paleo forum, you will see that while there are exceptions here and there, the general tone here is one of respect. IMO the controversy is due to your writing style, because as far as your diet goes, I think you are mostly preaching to the choir.

Another thing - to state that because you have been on VLC a long time and are healthy is a data point, but no more significant than those of us who adopted VLC decades later in life after incurring much more metabolic damage than you did - as you started quite young - yet many of us have been able to reverse much of the damage within a relatively short time.

PaleoAnth - please don't leave. I for one appreciate the knowledge - well supported by links to research - that you bring to this forum, not to mention your ability to return courtesy for rudeness. Anyone who has bothered to read your posts around the forums would realize that vegetarian or not, you are one of the most objective and rational posters around here.

Wyv

I cook it twice: first in just water without seasoning, then I peel the outer skin when it start to loosen up, and then I change the water, add onions, carrots, celery, bay leave, whatever seasoning you prefer, and cook the tongue until it's well done. After that you can serve it in dozen different ways: cold with horse radish, hot with bushroom gravy, even pickled with dil and garlic. I like it cold with carlic sauce and good old pickled veggies on the side. Oops, I forgot veggies are out.

Glad you caught that! It saves me from having to point it out to you.

Let's all keep to the sacred (secret) vows we have sworn, and not sway from the righteous paths we are on.

As one disciple to another... I bid you all good carnivorous health.

Jeez... this really IS a religion!

And I thought "cat worship" was strange...

If veggies are so good for you, why is it that in our culture, we refer to people who are brain dead (or those we just THINK are) as "vegetables," and why do we refer to the act of lounging on the couch doing nothing but getting fat "vegging out"?