Glenda - I feel you came across as nothing other than submitting a positive contribution. We can relate to what works (or not) for us and hope that someone else may find value in that. It's always a positive discovery when we learn from each other.

I don't think (emphasis on think) Moore has hit his previous peak - that doesn't look like 410 to me (as of low carb down under) but he is up over 300.

But he's got issues with food mentally he really would be better off taking care of. You probably don't get to 400 plus without them to begin with. He's always trying to game the system - successfully, but success here is a bad thing.

Which, you know, I'm not unsympathetic - I am perfectly capable of maintaining a 280 pound body eating nothing but meat, because there's more going on than appetite and satiety.

I get frustrated when people talk about low carb and keto as if it's a magic pill. For some people it is. For me, it isn't. If I don't consciously limit the amount I eat, I don't lose or maintain the loss.

(Which, for the last few years I've been maintaining an 80 pound loss from my peak, and fifty pounds from my more recent cruising weight)

Maintenance is the hardest thing. I've always been able to lose (eventually) but I've never successfully maintained a specific weight for any length of time.

If it weren't for this forum, I'd probably not have had the small success I have.

Thanks to all here for your support.

I think my right to be critical is limited, if I eat a less strict low carb diet, I gain ten or fifteen pounds, in over ten years have only exceeded 170 once that I can recall. Big difference between that and somebody whose body "thinks" it should weight 80 or 100 pounds when something shifts their hormones towards a more obesogenic tone. Even so, weight loss is easier than maintenance, maybe because the amount of food it takes to maintain is going to be more insulinogenic than the amount it takes to lose, unless you shift to more ketogenic ratios.

I don’t think Dr Fung's new book has been mentioned yet on this thread. April 3rd publication date.

The Diabetes Code: Prevent and Reverse Type 2 Diabetes Naturally

https://www.amazon.com/Diabetes-Cod...y/dp/1771642653

Somewhat related to why Jimmy has regained so much weight, posting a newish (Dec 5th) article by Dr Phinney & Volek on the reasons why one should NOT fast.

http://blog.virtahealth.com/science...ittent-fasting/



"we beg to differ" = understatement of the year, a wind-up to a calm but very pointed rebuttal to Dr Fung and others into Extended Fasting which would include Jimmy and his sidekicks , ketodudes, me once .

The Virta Health blog has become more active, with more authors contributing science to practical cooking tips.

Someone tweeted that the Saslow & Phinney paper on LCK vs MCLF is related to the Virta work, but not the big results paper using the Virta business model of Daily monitoring. Just guessing...maybe the first paper is to show success improving diabetes but not knock your socks off results. Later we see the difference when Virta technology is added to a LCK Diet? My detour over to Virta didn’t find anything about the studies, but this fascinating summary rebuttal to fasting longer than any natural "I’m just not hungry yet"

I see nothing here that would dissuade me from practising IF.

Once again, it appears that IF is a candidate for a more accurate definition. After reading the excellent article by Phinney and Volek, I'm guessing that many who are doing what is being called IF on a daily basis is more a process of feeding timing. Some of us are eating 2 meals per day and go 18 hours between meals on successive days. Is this really fasting or is it better described as periods of recovery between meals?

Refeeding: From personal experience, I can see where IF over multiple days can have negative consequences in how one approaches the IF and how one starts eating when it's over. We've all wondered and speculated about Jimmy Moore's experiences with fasting. The observations about refeeding and the slower replacement of LBM along with added fat is revealing about how little we know about this dynamic. For those doing IF while on a standard diet, it appears to be very risky. For those eating LCHF, it's also risky and the consequences of adding fat mass when refeeding must be known. It's not necessarily a sound weight-loss protocol.

I continue to be curious about the benefits of IF in the sense of establishing a duration just long enough to experience autophagy for metabolic cleansing and health, create BDNF for improved mental awareness and brain health, and to enhance aging gracefully with an increased life span. Could it be that IF is a vehicle to achieve health benefits other than weight loss? If so, how long and how often would be my first two questions. There are many who identify IF as a health option and don't promote weight loss as a prime benefit. Like Mark Mattson (yes, I've provided this link before, but it's informative):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UkZAwKoCP8

Lots more to learn here. For IF as a sound vehicle for general weight loss, I don't believe this is the best approach for me. No longer will I consider two meals per day with 18 hours between meals on successive days a form of IF, it's really how I time my meals, maintain satiety in between, and encourage ketone production.

Agreed with Ambulo, there isn't a strong argument in this blog post vs. IF of less than 24 hours.

I agree; 200 yrs ago my homesteading antecedents farmed, logged, and hunted all day on 1-2 meals and called it "normal".

Thanks for the link. I just shared on Facebook. People respect TED talks.

I don’t think Phinney & Volek have problems with OMD, but this:



And then to extend it to a month like JM tried, or the even wackier snake fasts or other fasting crazies, may set up a person like JM for poor body composition leading to rapid rebound weight gain.

EDIT: Jason’s holiday podcast announcement is that IDM is adding a membership site for those who do not need individual medical advice like the distance program but want some general help. $40 a month. Should be running in a month or so. IDM staff will contribute fasting and Keto articles and advice

Regarding that Phinney & Volek article, it seems to imply that the loss of lean tissue is always and under every circumstance a bad thing. I question that. Is all lean tissue created equal? Maybe some lean tissue is sub-standard, old, worn out, or whatever. Perhaps a little recycleing from time to time is a good thing. I would think that there may be some benefit to losing and rebuilding new lean tissue. I lived in an unhealty state for decades. Like Rob, I am curious about the benefits of autophagy and what that might do to make me a better, healthier me.

I was one of those extra big people carrying around a lot of extra weight for many years. After my weight loss my lean tissue below the waste is body builder size, while above the waste I am more of a lean old man. We can't target fat loss, but we can sculpt where we build muscle. I've considered fasting specifically for the purpose of redistributing lean muscle from below the belt to above the belt. I may pay a short term price for that with my BMR, but I should ultimately end up where I started in that regard, but with more muscle in the right places. Whatever the case, I think that I could fast for a fairly long time before I'd need to worry about running too low on lean tissue.

As far as refeeding danger comparing healthy people alternating betweeen eating a quality diet and fasting to that of human beings who have been severly malnurashed and abused to a near death state of skin and bones... that argument a bit apples and oranges to me. It comes across to me more like a scare tactic. I realize that some people can take anything too far. I'm sure there are some people that will turn the potential healthy effects of limited duration fasting into something akin to an eating disorder. I like food too much to take fasting that far.

That said, I do experience a compulstion to overeat LC food when refeeding after a longer fast. Breaking a fast has proven problematic for me. I find it very hard to do what Dr. Fung suggests to end a fast: "Just eat a norma meal." For this reason, I'm not sure that fasts longer than 24 hours are a good fit for me. But I seem to do OK with the shorter term IFs and I really don't see any danger in dong them whatsoever.

Fasting is everywhere this morning.

Fasting - The Movie (!) The IDM Clinic is in this, but I haven’t sprung for the $5 yet. http://fastingmovie.com

Dr Westman, like Phinney & Volek, is fine with OMD if you are just not hungry, but concerned about losing protein longer than that. Just not enough current research, studies cited are old.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/dr-eric-...arb-vegetarians

Followed hours later by Dr Fung, saying you could stall with OMD. If so, then "shake it up" with alternate patterns. https://www.dietdoctor.com/fasting-...unterproductive

Since my father had horrible diabetic neuropathy, I've always been extremely sensitive to the symptoms, afraid it would happen to me. At another place on the dietdoctor website, I found this: Read the entire interview here.