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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 14:56
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a deluge of e-mail is warranted by this community to:

president~nytimes.com


I don't know why my "at" sign keeps coming out as a ~ no matter how many times I try to edit. Oh well....you get the idea.

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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 15:12
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Here is specific contact info for the NY Times:

"Letters must include the writer's name, address, and telephone numbef. Those selected may be shortened to fit the alloted space. Send e-mail to letters~nytimes.com, faxes to (212)556-3622 or postal mail to Letters to the Editor, 229 West 43rd St., NY, NY 10036-3959."
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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 15:17
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I don't know why my "at" sign keeps coming out as a ~ no matter how many times I try to edit.

The database automatically changes the "at" symbol This is to protect you and our site from spambots which rip through the posts looking for email addresses.

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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 15:25
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I just sent one.

I wonder what the real story behind that "20%" quote is...she could well have said that their findings are that most people on the diet only eat around 20% saturated fat....that sort of statement, taken out of context could have turned into what happened, for example. It will be interesting to hear any further news on all that...

Val
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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 15:28
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Originally Posted by OHGal1415
Yep. We're buying a new chest freezer, to house the 1/2 SIDE OF BEEF we're buying.


And, what's wrong with that:



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I'm even going to ask for packages of BEEF LARD!!!!


I have a small container of Lard in my food closet. I don't use it very often. I use it mainly when a recipe calls for Shortening and I don't want a Buttery taste. Lard, just like most meats...is about 60% Unsaturated and 40% Saturated. The stuff is much better for you than Shortening [with its Trans-Fats] any day.

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I think I'll keep a batch of the lard in the fridge and fry my EGGS in it. MMmmm....


Lard has less Saturated Fat than Butter, and only marginally more total fat...so under the Low-Fat dogma, it should be the better choice when compared to the more traditional Butter. That said, I use Butter.
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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 15:58
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I just sent one.

I wonder what the real story behind that "20%" quote is...she could well have said that their findings are that most people on the diet only eat around 20% saturated fat....that sort of statement, taken out of context could have turned into what happened, for example. It will be interesting to hear any further news on all that...

Val



On the news in England tonight Heimowitz said they analysed the fat in the recipes in the book (DANDR?) and 20% were saturates. She also said there was "no new science" and the diet hadn't been changed.
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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 17:04
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From the Atkins website this evening:

Atkins Has Not Changed

"Make That Steak a Bit Smaller, Atkins Advises Today's Dieters,"
published in the January 18th edition of The New York Times--and the
subsequent publicity--is yet another dramatically inappropriate
example of the media reporting on the media and perpetuating a false
report on Atkins. This is a great disservice to the millions upon
millions of Atkins followers who have been benefiting from this
nutritional approach for more than 30 years. The accusation in the
media, which claims that Atkins is retreating from its long-held
position on the consumption of fat is simply wrong. It is a false
premise created by members of the media themselves, based on input
from "experts" who apparently have neither read any of Dr. Atkins'
books, nor even casually browsed this Web site.

Atkins has not changed. The basic tenets of the Atkins Nutritional
Approach™ (ANA), consistent since 1972, are to control the intake of
carbohydrates, avoid refined carbs (like sugar and white flour), eat
a balance of fats (including saturated fat but not trans fats) and
consume a variety of protein sources, such as red meat, fish,
poultry and tofu. Saturated fat remains a valuable part of the ANA.
There is absolutely no scientific research to support any claims
that eating red meat and saturated fat as part of your Atkins
program is anything other then beneficial. These protocols have been
consistently reinforced as safe, effective and beneficial and have
been further supported by 17 studies released over the last three
years.

Equally as important, and terribly troubling to all of us at Atkins,
is the attempt once again by critics of Atkins to ignore fact,
science and the clear messages stated in Dr. Atkins' own words over
the past 32 years, in order to sensationalize the ANA as the "all-
the-steak-you-can-eat" approach to weight loss and good health. This
has never been true and the millions of individuals doing Atkins,
along with the health care professionals who have read Dr. Atkins'
books, clearly understand this. We would urge anyone who is
confused, including the media to simply read Dr. Atkins' New Diet
Revolution, Atkins For Life or The Atkins Essentials, or review this
site, rather than interpret Atkins on the basis of sensational
reports manufactured on hearsay and mischaracterization.

Even in the original 1972 edition of Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution,
Dr. Atkins explained, "fat allows for enormous variety in your diet;
that vital and best of all, it keeps you from feeling deprived. Of
course, you aren't confined to steak, you can have almost any kind
of meat, fish or fowl." He continued, "One of the biggest reasons
this diet works so successfully is because you eat protein and
fat…."

Dr. Atkins made no secret of the fact that his methodology evolved
over time as scientific discoveries added new and useful
information. He rewrote his original 1972 book three times, exactly
because he felt it was his responsibility to keep people up to date
when it came to the most recent and relevant information on
controlled carbohydrate nutrition and health. In the 2002 edition of
Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution, he wrote, "Eat either three regular-
size meals a day or four to five smaller meals. Eat liberally of
combinations of fat and protein in the form of poultry, fish,
shellfish, eggs and red meat, as well as of pure, natural fat in the
form of butter, mayonnaise, olive oil, safflower, sunflower and
other vegetable oils. Adjust the quantity you eat to suit your
appetite, especially as it decreases. When hungry, eat the amount
that makes your feel satisfied but not stuffed…."

By providing individuals doing Atkins with a life-long strategy,
including exercise and meal plans (at various carb thresholds)
incorporating a wide range of foods, as explained in Atkins for
Life, Dr. Atkins believed he would finally put to rest the
misconception that his approach was based on eating only red meat.
His simple goal was that people would come to understand how to
incorporate his controlled carbohydrate nutritional approach as the
first step in gaining control of their nutritionally out-of-control
lives.

Millions of individuals who benefit from doing Atkins understand
that the ANA is a very effective four-phase approach to healthy
eating. The ANA focuses on moving people away from diets loaded with
refined carbohydrates like sugar and white flour to a lifestyle
centered around eating whole foods and nutrient-dense carbohydrates
like leafy greens, and finding a balance in the consumption of
proteins and fat.
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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 18:39
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[QUOTE=tofi] I wish that there would be more emphasis on eating REAL FOOD and less on finding substitutes for the high carb foods. That might help more in changing our eating patterns than using substitutes that are "lower Carb" but not as good as real food.

That is the wisest thing I've ever seen written about dieting. And, yes, I've been saying this for decades and I'm sure others have too, but I've never seen it written down.
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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 18:53
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Well, ABC News with Peter Jennings picked up the same exact story tonight as the NY Times. I'm just appalled that they would run that story without even checking into its validity!! They even had clips of interviews with Atkins reps...obviously edited to say what they wanted it to say....unless Atkins Corp is telling 2 different stories to make everybody happy. Hmmmm?
I guess I'm going to find ABC's e-mail address and send them off a nice little note also!!
I guess this is just more of the same un-researched, un-iformed journalism. Will Dr. A ever get a break?????
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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 19:17
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I'm registered on the Atkins site....and just received this email from them:

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We want to assure you that when you follow the Atkins Nutritional Approach (ANA), the consumption of all forms of natural fat is perfectly safe. Let us also remind you that despite numerous studies that have supported the safety and efficacy of the ANA, the conventional nutrition community has no scientific research to back up its claims that consuming fat (including saturated fat) is bad for you in the context of a controlled carbohydrate lifestyle.

The fight goes on—and will no doubt continue. The latest attack comes in the form of an outrageous article in The New York Times, claiming that we at Atkins have changed our position on fat consumption. Loud and clear, with the notable exception of man-made trans fats (which Dr. Atkins long ago identified as dangerous), all fats are a healthy component of the Atkins lifestyle.

Atkins has not changed its basic tenets in more than 30 years. So what is new? Well, Atkins is changing the way people around the world eat and that should keep us in the headlines for years to come!
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Old Mon, Jan-19-04, 22:21
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Sigh. My local news station just reported it as fact. This will do tremendous damage, as the retractions, if there are any, won't be close to as loud as the original reports.
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Old Tue, Jan-20-04, 06:09
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I was glad to open my mail box this morning and find Atkins official stance in print. Media sources often mis-report things in an effort to be "first".

When/if people want to inform me of the dangers of Atkins, I will be handing out copies of the Atkins report and will be glad to share with them. <ggg>
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Old Tue, Jan-20-04, 07:00
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Default News Story-Atkins Sat Fat is bad for you?

I heard a news report that all of the sat fat in Atkins is bad for us? The news suggested that people who live lo carb lifestyles should follow the south beach program?
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Old Tue, Jan-20-04, 07:17
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Here are some of the other threads about this issue so far:

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=160227
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=160707
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=160359
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=160868



BTW, seems like it all started with an article in NY Times that Atkins reps later have condemned as untruthful (official statement at www.atkins.com.)

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Old Tue, Jan-20-04, 07:29
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Just because it gets in a newspaper doesn't mean it's true. Check out the main threads in the Media Watch area before posting new threads about this.
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